[2014] FWC 4914 |
FAIR WORK COMMISSION |
REASONS FOR DECISION |
Fair Work Act 2009
s.739 - Application to deal with a dispute
"Automotive, Food, Metals, Engineering, Printing and Kindred Industries Union" known as the Australian Manufacturing Workers' Union (AMWU)
v
DL Employment Pty Ltd
(C2014/289)
SENIOR DEPUTY PRESIDENT DRAKE |
SYDNEY, 4 AUGUST 2014 |
Alleged dispute about any matters arising under the enterprise agreement and the NES;[s186(6)] - Suitable alternate work.
[1] On 8 July 2014 I delivered Reasons for Decision 1 for my finding, delivered in transcript on 28 April 2014, regarding the preliminary legal submission of DL Employment (DLE). I indicated that I would provide separate Reasons for Decision2 for my Findings and Orders of the same date regarding those individual employees who I had found were not offered suitable alternate duties, and who were entitled to redundancy benefits pursuant to the DL Employment Pty Ltd Enterprise Bargaining Agreement 2012-2015 (the DLE Agreement). I will now do so.
Mr Mark McNeil
[2] Mr McNeil provided a statement 3. Mr McNeil is 56 years old. His evidence as to his personal circumstances is set out below.
● He had been employed by Darrell Lea for 13 years as a maintenance fitter.
● He works on the night shift from 10.30pm to 6.30am.
● He lives in Miranda with his wife and 10-year-old daughter.
● It takes him 9 minutes to drive from Miranda to Kogarah.
● His sister Michelle is physically and mentally disabled as a result of a push bike accident which occurred when she was 10 years old. She was in a coma for 12 months and will need care for the rest of her life.
● Michelle lives with Mr McNeil's mother who is 84 years old. They live in a unit 5 minutes drive from Mr McNeil's residence. Mrs McNeil used to care for Michelle. However, Mrs McNeil had a bad fall in 2012. She was hospitalised and is now too frail to care for Michelle. Mrs McNeil provided a supporting statement. The circumstances of the accident are set out below:
“------Ms McNeil: No matter what sort of transport, it's too far away from my mother and sister in an emergency.
Your mother's accident and her deterioration was raised on a number of occasions in that questioning. What happened to your mother?---She was up at the gym training, which my sister goes to also, and she - my sister actually fell over. Because she finds it hard to coordinate and that, she - I think she was on a treadmill and my mum was standing behind her and my sister's come off the treadmill and gone back onto my mum and knocked my mum down. And she broke - a cracked pelvis and - cracked a pelvis bone.” 4
● Mr McNeil is now the chief carer for Michelle.
● Even before her accident Mrs McNeil would call Mr McNeil to come and assist her.
“......at that time my mum was still physically sort of okay to look after herself and take care of my sister sometimes. My sister, because of her accident, gets aggressive sometimes and sometimes my mother has to ring me to get - come down and calm her down......” 5
● It is important for Mr McNeil to work close to home to enable him to care for his mother and sister and to be close to home if there is an emergency, although neighbours help.
“...... the neighbours would probably come and help if there was a problem when you were at work?---Well I - because of the state - because of my sister, if anything happened to my mother, my sister would absolutely panic and be totally out of control. I guess the neighbour which is close, very close to their door, would hear what's going on, and I guess they're nice sort of people. They would be concerned and try to find out what was going on, because they would be aware of my sister's circumstance.
So the neighbours are still there to help out?---I think they might have changed now.” 6
[3] Mr McNeil was cross-examined about what arrangements he would have made had he moved to Coffs Harbour as he was considering doing in August 2012. His response was that if he had moved he would have moved his mother and sister with him. 7 He performs approximately 7 hours 45 minutes overtime per week. His evidence was that he is still able to care for his mother and sister.
[4] Mr McNeil was cross-examined about the occasions on which he had to care for his sister. He has never had to leave work on the night shift but has been called away just before work and has also had to take the night off on a couple of occasions because of problems with his sister. 8
[5] Mr Reid put to Mr McNeil that he was more likely to have problems with his sister during the day than at night time. He did not accept that proposition although he indicated that he helped his mother and sister all the time during the day by taking them shopping, paying the bills and doing the cleaning. 9 He identified two occasions in February and March 2014 when he had taken carer’s leave.10
[6] Mr McNeil's evidence regarding his travel arrangements if he had to work at Ingleburn is set out below:
“21. It is about a 40 minute drive from my house to the Ingleburn site. In peak hour traffic, it is closer to an hour.
22. I am not comfortable driving that distance home after work. I work night shift, and am very tired when I finish work. It is dangerous to drive in these circumstances.
23. I would have to drive up to Caringbah station and catch a train to Wolli Creek, then change trains to Ingleburn. This would take at least an hour, if all the trains were running on time.” 11
[7] Mr McNeil's evidence regarding his meeting with Ms Bates and Mr Tsiakos is set out below:
“25. I explained my personal circumstances as set out above. Kimberly said words to the effect of:
Kimberley: ‘What would happen if something did happen while you were at work in Ingleburn?’
Me: ‘If something happened to my mother, my sister would panic like you would not believe. The neighbours would probably hear her and come over to help. If something happened to my sister, I suppose my mum would be able to call the ambulance.’
Kimberley: ‘You should get your mum an emergency pendant.’
Me: ‘It would take me that long to get home, I’m scared that if something did happen that I wouldn’t be able to see them. I’d never forgive myself.’
Kimberly: ‘I wasn’t there when my mother passed.
26. At the end of the meeting, Kimberly said words to the effect of ‘Unfortunately, we are not able to offer you a redundancy.’ I had the impression that this decision had been made in advance.” 12
[8] Ms Bates was cross-examined regarding her meeting with Mr McNeil. She confirmed that Mr McNeil raised his caring responsibilities for his elderly mother and disabled sister. Ms Bates’ evidence was that, based on his circumstances, he was not entitled to redundancy. 13 Ms Bates did not raise the September 2012 contract with Mr McNeil.14
[9] In the course of the hearing there were a number of exchanges between the parties that involved the use of a bus from Kogarah to Ingleburn. Mr McNeil's position was that he would not catch the bus because of his mother and sister. His evidence is set out below:
“You were asked a question about the bus from Kogarah to Ingleburn and you said that you wouldn't catch that bus. Do you remember that?---Yes.
Why wouldn't you catch that bus?---Because of my mother and sister. I just can't go to Ingleburn. That's - it's not that I can't catch the bus. It's that I can't go to Ingleburn.
Why not?---No matter what sort of transport, it's too far away from my mother and sister in an emergency.” 15
[10] The travel allowance was not a matter of significance to Mr McNeil. The issue for him was proximity to his mother and sister.
Stephen Perry
[11] Mr Perry provided a statement. 16 Mr Perry is 64 years old. His evidence as to his personal circumstances is set out below:
● He has worked for Darrell Lea for 36 years.
● He is on the day shift from 6:30am to 2:30pm.
● He worked as the Hard Candy leading hand for 30 years. After Darrell Lea ceased to have leading hands he worked in the marshmallow and peanut brittle areas.
● He has suffered from a medical condition called Lebers Optic Atrophy since the age of 16. He cannot drive a car. Whilst his eyesight does not prevent him from doing his work, he needs strong reading glasses and is required to stand closer to machinery than other employees. He provided a medical certificate dated 3 March 2014 confirming the diagnosis.
● He loved his job and wished to keep working. For a while he was uncertain whether he could move to Ingleburn but for the reasons set out below, and because of his perceived difficulties in travelling to Ingleburn, he eventually decided he could not move. His goal was to work until 2017. His evidence in this respect and concerning his difficulties with travel was:
“18. In 1981, I moved to Raby with my wife and 3 year old son.
19. I spent the next 25 years travelling by train to work. It took me half an hour to walk to the nearest train station, and two hours by train to get to work.
20. As I got older, I started finding the travelling on top of the long hours very difficult.
21. Work is very important to me, and I wanted to keep going. My wife and I decided to move, so I could keep working.
22. This was a difficult decision for my wife, who had her life in Raby. The only reason we moved was in order to allow me to keep working.
23. We moved to Como in 2006. This is much closer to Kogarah, and on the same train line.
24. This significantly improved my quality of life. I do not believe I could go back to travelling long distances again.” 17
[12] Mr Perry’s evidence regarding his travel arrangements if he had to work at Ingleburn is set out below:
“25. It will take me about four hours round trip to get to Ingleburn. Train timetables are attached to this statement and marked ‘C’.
26. I believe that this travel, on top of my workload, will cause me significant difficulties. It will cause me fatigue and affect my health, and cause me and my wife stress.
27. My wife and I are not in a position to move house again.
28. I am worried that the travel time and the fatigue related issues will also affect my work performance. I am also concerned about my ability to adjust to a new workplace.
29. I do not think I will be as successful at Ingleburn as I have been at Kogarah. I do not want to let the company down.
30. For a while, I was uncertain about whether I could move to Ingleburn. For the reasons I have set out above, I do not believe that I can.” 18
[13] Mr Perry was cross-examined about the time it would take him to get to Ingleburn by public transport. Mr Perry took a rostered day off to time the trip to Ingleburn from his home. His evidence in that respect is set out below. Mr Reid cross-examined Mr Perry about this issue.
“Mr Reid: If you take public transport it would take you about 86 minutes to get to the Ingleburn site?---Mr Perry: Not by the timetable, mate, that I know and - you could know different. I would leave my house a quarter to five. I would be ready to start work at 6.30. The train gets to Ingleburn station at 6 o'clock, then you walk the other 1.2 kilometres, and then dress for work. I'd be ready to start work by 6.30. That's an hour and three-quarters. Coming home it's a little bit longer, mate. Finish at 2.30, catch the 3.11 train from Ingleburn, because you would not catch the 3.41, be at Como station at 4.27 and - now this is the public transport time, and that's the best that I could do in travelling by public transport. And then walking up the street, so it would be just over 2 hours coming home and an hour and three-quarters in the morning from the time I walk out the door. Now it's not their fault I don't drive, but it's not my fault that they're moving to Ingleburn either. And it's medical reasons why I don't drive and why I have never driven, and there's a certificate there to state why.
Have you ever taken public transport to Ingleburn?--- I did, mate, within the first three weeks of going to - the company going over to Quinn, and I mentioned it to Kim. I took an RDO and I trained it from Como to Wolli Creek, Wolli Creek to Ingleburn and I walked virtually to the site. I just didn't cross the busy roundabout, so less than a hundred metres from the site. And I did that in my own time.
I was hoping to take you to one more page in that document but if you can't read that I can put it to you?---It would be appreciated, mate.
In that affidavit of Kim Bates at annexure KB6 this is what she says, "It's a two to three minute walk from home to Como train station, 17 minutes from Como to Kogarah".
MS SAUNDERS: Your Honour, this is going to be a complicated thing. Perhaps it can be broken up so Mr Perry can address each block.
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I'll address each component separately. Would you agree that it's a two to three minute walk from home to Como train station?---No, mate. But it wouldn't be any more than six or seven. It wouldn't be six, six or seven, but anyway no problem at all.
A 17 minute train from Como to Kogarah?---It's definitely no more than that.
A 15 minute walk from Kogarah train station to Kogarah plant?---Site. Yes, I'd say 20, but anyway. If you get off at Carlton it's probably closer to 15.
I'll now address the issue of Ingleburn. You say it's a six to seven minute walk from home to Como train station?---Yes.
A 23 minute train from Como to Wolli Creek? 23 minutes?---I'm listening.
Is that correct?---I'm not denying anything, mate, but what I'm saying is - - -
I'm asking?---Thereabouts.
A wait for a connecting train to Ingleburn would be 10 minutes?---Well, you've got the timetable there, mate. I've marked it.
I'm asking you. Approximately 10 minutes?---The train leaves Como at six minutes to five. It's at Wolli Creek a bit after, so the Campbelltown train's 5.25, gets to Ingleburn at 6 o'clock and then you've got to get from Ingleburn station to the site and be ready to start at 6.30.
I haven't got there yet. I just was asking about the 10 minutes wait for a connecting train to Ingleburn?
THE SENIOR DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Mr - - -
MR REID: What I'm trying to get to, your Honour - - -
THE SENIOR DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Mr Reid, do you dispute the matters set out in the timetable? Is that what you're doing here, because I don't want to confuse Mr Steven.
MR REID: What I'm putting to Mr - what I'm putting to the witness is this is what's in Kim's affidavit. He hasn't had a chance to respond to that affidavit.
THE SENIOR DEPUTY PRESIDENT: All right.
MR REID: I'm asking him whether he would agree with what's in Kim's affidavit. I appreciate it might be tedious.
THE SENIOR DEPUTY PRESIDENT: No, no, it's just a question of making sure that he understands the process.
Can you read the affidavit at all, or is it just difficult for you?---It is difficult, mate. It'd take me all day, but I believe what the gentleman says.
All right, well what he wants to do is go through the affidavit and just put some facts to you that Miss Bates says about the trip?---Yes.
So just deal with them one at a time, thank you Mr Reid. I think if you progress in the way you are.
MR REID: I take it you agree with a 10 minute wait?---Mm'hm.
From then it's a 35 minute train from Wolli Creek to Ingleburn?---Yes.
And from there it would be a walk from Ingleburn train station to Ingleburn plant of 15 minutes?---Well, 1.2 kilometres. Yes, some people might do it in 15, 16 minutes, mate. Yes. I'm not disputing that.
Okay, now what I say there, if you're not disputing that, is that it would take 86 minutes for you to get to Ingleburn?
MS SAUNDERS: Your Honour, that is not an accurate reflection of the evidence that's just been given. There are some additional minutes in the walking time.
MR REID: Apologies.
MS SAUNDERS: The witness is - - -
MR REID: Approximately 90 minutes for you to get to Ingleburn. In your statement you say - - -?---Definitely no less.
Sorry?---Going by the times that I've given, an hour and three-quarters, mate.
Well, in your statement you said two hours. What I put to you today is that it would take an hour and a half and you've, as I understand it, agreed with that process?---Well, I did it in an hour and a half. I missed the six minutes to five train, mate. Because I have - to get that connection at Wolli Creek I will have to catch the train from Como at six minutes to five. So already before your start time you've got - so as the start time's 5.30. That is 96 minutes. But then you've got to walk from the house to the - which is only five or six minutes but you've got to catch a train to get there, if you know what I mean? So you've got to be there. What - I don't govern what time the trains leave, what time the trains meet. If you want to break down and find 86 minutes, if I left home 86 minutes before start time I would miss the train. I believe so, mate. I'm not being difficult.
You'd miss the connecting train?---I would miss - because the six minutes to five is not 96 minutes before my start time.
Right?---Is 96 minutes before my start time, then I walk out the door. Let's just call it five minutes. So that's 101 minutes. You don't get 86 minutes out of that. So if I left home 86 minutes before my start time, I'm sorry, I would probably get a warning for being late because I would miss six minutes to five, then I would miss the 5.25 and then I would not be at Ingleburn at 6 o'clock. And there's no way I could get to the factory and in start position, dressed, ready to go in less than that half an hour. So that half an hour to get from the station to work is required, and there's no trains that can get me there on time.
Okay?---I'm going by the timetable, mate. Nothing more. I'd love to go to Ingleburn. Now if you want to do the times coming home too - - -.” 19
[14] I was satisfied by Mr Perry’s evidence that the trip from his home to Ingleburn by public transport would take one hour and 45 minutes.
[15] When Mr Perry lived at Raby he travelled two and one half hours each way to work for 25 years. Mr Reid put that issue and the prospect of a colleague driving him to and from work to Mr Perry. That exchange is set out below:
“Mr Reid: Surely you could travel one hour and a half, one hour 45 minutes each way for three years until 2017?---Mr Perry: And I've been giving that tremendous consideration for the first 16 months and it's only the last perhaps six or eight weeks the realisation that travelling perhaps may not be the one issue, and then felt uncomfortable enough to think that maybe I've got to cut it short. And it's not what I want to do. I sit here today and say it's not what I really want to do, but I feel as if there's a need to and I wouldn't have put my name down. This is not a prank.
I thought travelling was your issue?---Travelling is one of the issues.
Do any of the employees you work with at Darrell Lea live anywhere near Como?
THE SENIOR DEPUTY PRESIDENT: I'm sorry, Mr Reid, I didn't hear the end of that question.
MR REID: I'm sorry.
Do any of the employees you work with live anywhere near Como?---There's one that gives me a lift when I do early starts. He lives at Lucas Heights. If he was to pick me up and drop me off it would increase his travelling time by 80 minutes a day because he lives between my - between Como and Ingleburn. He lives between. He would have to come back 20 minutes to get to where he started 40 - so from that aspect it's not practical as far as this guy goes.
So you've asked him?---No, I haven't. He's asked me. I have not - I would not ask someone to go out of their way for me, mate. He has asked me.
How often do you travel with him to work?---Lately not very often at all. On a regular basis, going home, nearly every day because he has to pass my place or pass my area to go home. So I give him petrol money. So - but I don't come in with him. Even if we both start the - only when we do overtime and there's no trains and no buses we organise a lift. Whenever I do a standard 6.30 start I come in by train every time, and that's not an issue mate.
He's going to Ingleburn, this employee?---He is. But please, Mr Reid, keep in mind - - -
THE SENIOR DEPUTY PRESIDENT: No, look, one moment. We've just got to do the question and answer so we'll stop there.
MR REID: So if you said to him could he continue to help you with your travelling arrangements he's likely to say, "Yes" isn't he?
MS SAUNDERS: Your Honour, Mr Perry is not in a position to answer a question about someone else's mental state.
THE SENIOR DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Do you actually understand the situation here? There's Ingleburn, there's Lucas Heights and there's Como. This person, whoever he is, would have to do Lucas Heights, Como and then back this way. Is that right, Miss Bates?
MS BATES: That's right.
THE SENIOR DEPUTY PRESIDENT: So that would be 20 Ks in the middle?
MS BATES: Yes.
THE WITNESS: 20 minutes each way.
THE SENIOR DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Yes, well 20 kilometres at least in the middle. So that is the situation, Mr Reid. I'll just pass that to you. You know, you're not necessarily familiar with this, as I'm not familiar with the Gold Coast. So I'll just show it to you so that you're not confused by Mr Steven's answer in this respect.
MR REID: Thank you, your Honour.
THE SENIOR DEPUTY PRESIDENT: I think you can still put the question. I just wanted to make sure you understood what the distance involved was.
MR REID: I'll repeat the question. Isn't it so that if you asked - - -
MS SAUNDERS: I repeat your objection - my objection.
THE SENIOR DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Yes, I'm going to allow him to ask the question.
MR REID: Isn't it so that if you asked the employee to assist you with travelling to Ingleburn he would say, "Yes"?---I haven't asked him.” 20
[16] Mr Reid also asked Mr Perry about selling or renting his house. His response is set out below:
“THE SENIOR DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Yes, of course. No one expects you to do any differently?---Mate, if I took - to keep working I would do it. I couldn't do it to my wife, the turmoil that it'd cause, and I couldn't do it to a 19 year old son. We moved him at a particular time, one boy at home. It would turn their life upside down because of the - they did one move for me, but we tried to strategically do it. So the young bloke's at school. Can't do it again.” 21
[17] Mr Perry gave evidence that he might have considered travelling by bus from Kogarah to Ingleburn were it not for other matters. Those issues included his concerns about being able to do the work in the new situation.
[18] Mr Perry met with Ms Bates in February 2014. He provided her with a letter setting out his reasons for not wishing to move to Ingleburn. She said to him words to the effect of "As you must understand, we won't be offering anyone redundancy."
[19] Ms Bates was cross-examined regarding her meeting with Mr Perry. 22 Mr Perry discussed DLE’s need for him at Ingleburn and he asked questions about the Ingleburn site. Ms Bates confirmed that Mr Perry was concerned about potential changes to his day to day work. He was worried that he would have difficulty adjusting to a new factory layout and equipment. He provided a letter to Ms Bates about his travel concerns. Her evidence was that she did not advise Mr Perry of any conclusion regarding his entitlement to a redundancy payment. She did not raise the September 2012 contract with Mr Perry.23
Joseph Atalifo
[20] Mr Atalifo provided a statement. 24 Mr Atalifo is 43 years old. His evidence as to his personal circumstances is set out below:
● His first language is Rotuman.
● He has worked at Darrell Lea for 13 years.
● He worked in the licorice department at Kogarah on the night shift from 10:30pm to 6:30am.
● It took Mr Atalifo 5 minutes to drive from his home at Sans Souci to work.
● He has two adopted sons who are 18 years old and live with him. He drops them off and picks them up from school. He does not own a car and therefore he has made the following arrangement with a housemate:
“13. I pick up my sons and drop them off at school.
14. I borrow my housemate’s car to go to work. We have an arrangement where on Thursday:
a. I finish at 6.30 and drive home;
b. At 6.45 I drive my housemate to Lindfield, where she cares for her granddaughter;
c. I drive her to drop her granddaughter to school;
d. I sleep at Lindfield;
e. I drive her to school at 3 pm to pick up her granddaughter;
f. I drive her to her sons’s place, where she stays;
g. I drive home to Sans Souci, and then to work.
15. I drive out to Lindfield to transport my housemate back and forward between the school each day that I am working, and bring her back home on Friday.
16. My housemate does not like to drive, as she has vision problems and other medical issues. This arrangement is the only way she can get her granddaughter to school.
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18. If I cannot drive her to Lindfield and back and from her granddaughter’s school, my housemate will not lend me her car to get to work.
19. I cannot afford to buy a car. Rent, living expenses and school fees take up my income.” 25
[21] Mr Reid cross-examined Mr Atilifo concerning his household expenses, the cost of a vehicle and other matters of a personal nature concerning his income and expenses.
[22] In cross-examination Mr Atilifo confirmed that the arrangement he has with his flatmate regarding the loan of her motor vehicle has been in place for approximately 8 years. 26 Mr Atilifo's flatmate is 62, her granddaughter is 3. His flatmate’s parents assist on Mondays and Tuesdays. The purpose of the arrangement he has with his flatmate is to assist him to get to work and his children to school.
[23] Mr Atalifo’s evidence regarding his travel arrangements if he had to work at Ingleburn is set out below.
“17. It is about a forty minute drive from my house to the Ingleburn site on the M5, if there is no traffic. This means that this arrangement will not work any more.
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20. I will have to catch public transport to work. This involves catching a bus from Sans Souci to Rockdale, then a train from Rockdale to Wolli Creek, then a train from Wolli Creek to Ingleburn.
21. This would take me two and a half hours.
22. I am very concerned about this travel time. It is a significant change for me, and will place pressure on me and my family.” 27
[24] Mr Atalifo met with Ms Bates and Mr Tsiakos in February 2014. Ms Bates told him words to the effect of "No, that's not good enough." He said that they did not understand his travel arrangements and accused him of lying about not owning a car. Ms Bates said, "We will not be able to offer you redundancy."
[25] Ms Bates was cross-examined regarding her meeting with Mr Atalifo. She confirmed that Mr Atalifo was advised that he was not entitled to a redundancy based on his circumstances. 28 She did not raise the September 2012 contract with Mr Atalifo.29
Blagoja(Bill) Stueski
[26] Mr Stueski provided a statement. 30 Mr Stueski is 56 years old. His evidence as to his personal circumstances is set out below:
● English is not his first language.
● He has worked at Darrell Lea for 33 years. He liked his job and the company. He would have preferred to work there for as long as he was physically able to do so. He has worked in a range of departments including chocolate and licorice and at the time of the hearing he was working on the Erikson machine.
● He lives at Bexley and it takes him 10 minutes to drive from Bexley to the Kogarah site.
● He is the primary caregiver for his mother-in-law Mrs Mickovska. She is 79 years old, in poor health and lives at Rockdale which is a 5 to 10 minute drive from Kogarah. He provided a medical certificate in relation to his care of Mrs Mickovska, the substance of which is as follows:
“This is to confirm that Mr Blagoja Stueski is the son-in-law of a patient of mine, Srmena Mickovska, who has been attending our clinic for over 7 years. She has been becoming increasingly frail over the past couple of years and requires regular assistance from her family and primarily from Blagoja himself. This includes but is not limited to, driving Srmena to the shops and doctors appointments, assistance with giving her medications, home maintenance etc. I understand he is working at Darrel Lea which is considering a transfer of the factory to another more distant location which will impact on Srmena’s well being and general provision of care.” 31
● He needs to be close to Rockdale in case there is an emergency. He provided, as an example, the details of an emergency which occurred in 2011.
● He also relied upon his prospective family responsibilities for the care of a grandchild.
[27] Mr Stueski’s evidence regarding his travel arrangements if he had to work at Ingleburn is set out below:
“10. Last year, I went fishing in Moss Vale with my sons on Sunday. When we drove back at night, we passed Ingleburn. I timed the drive home, and it took about 50 minutes. There was no traffic.
11. I have never driven that far for work. I believe it will be very hard for me to make this trip, and will put pressure on me and my family. 32
[28] Ms Bates confirmed that Mr Stueski and she met to discuss his application for a redundancy payment. She did not raise the September 2012 contract with Mr Stueski.
“Ms Saunders: I apologise, you met with Bill Stueski?---Ms Bates: I did meet with Bill Stueski. He had submitted a letter by email that went to SPAM, and after we had conducted a number of meetings he said, "Where's mine?" and I said I had no idea. We found it and then later on we did meet, yes.
Okay, and Mr Stueski cares for his elderly mother-in-law?---Yes.
And again, Mr Stueski is an older worker himself?---Correct.
Who has 36 years' service with Darrell Lea?---Something like that, yes.
And lives very close by to the Kogarah site? ---Yes.
Did you raise Mr Stueski's 2012 contract with him?---No.” 33
[29] The travel allowance was not a significant issue for Mr Stueski. It was the distance from his home and his responsibilities in that location which were critical for Mr Stueski.
[30] Mr Reid cross-examined Mr Stueski about the possibility of other persons assisting his mother-in-law. Her husband has been dead for many years. Mr Stueski gave evidence that he takes her everywhere, cuts the grass, paints for her and fixes things. He takes her to the shops and doctors appointments. She does not drive. His evidence is that he and his wife share the responsibility but he is there 2 to 3 hours per week. His wife does not have set shifts. She is permanent but her shifts vary. She works at Aldi. All the family helps but he is the chief provider of care. Sometimes he takes her out on Mondays, sometimes Wednesdays, sometimes Saturdays. As soon as she calls he goes. He was asked about one particular occasion on which he was required for an emergency trip to the hospital after a fall. He was called at work, went to her home and called the ambulance and visited her in hospital. Her right hand was broken.
Blaga Mirceska
[31] Ms Mirceska provided a statement. 34 Ms Mirceska is 51 years old. Her evidence as to her personal circumstances is set out below:
● English is not her first language.
● She works the day shift from 6:30am to 2:30pm.
● She has worked at Darrell Lea for 26 years. She commenced when she first moved to Australia. She lives at Kogarah.
● She does not hold a drivers licence or own a car. Her evidence in relation to this issue is as follows:
“14. I do not hold a drivers’ licence or own a car. I used to drive, but I had an accident in 1999.
15. A pedestrian jumped in front of me and I hit him. I suffered shock and trauma. I have never driven since, and do not think I will ever drive again.
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22. I am nervous to catch public transport. I have felt this way since the accident in 1999. I keep compulsively braking and feeling like something bad is going to happen. I have never been alone on a train or a bus since the accident.” 35
● At present her husband drives her to work. He works at Botany and her workplace is on his way to work. He starts at 7am and finishes at 3pm.
[32] Mrs Mirceska’s evidence regarding her travel arrangements if she had to work at Ingleburn is set out below. In regard to her evidence of travel time it was clear that Mrs Mirceska had no basis for her estimates. She had no personal knowledge of the travel time from Kogarah to Ingleburn.
“17. It is about a 30 minute drive to Ingleburn from my house. It is out of my husband’s way.
18. Ingleburn is approximately 30 minutes drive from Botany, in no traffic. In peak hour, it will take longer.
19. I have discussed with my husband the prospect of him driving me to Ingleburn. Because of how much earlier he has to get up, and the stress of the extra driving, he has told me that he will not be able to do it.
20. Because I finish earlier than my husband, I walk home from work. This takes me about 20 minutes.
21. I would have to catch public transport to get to Ingleburn. I would have to get a train from Kogarah to Wolli Creek, and then from Wolli Creek to Ingleburn. This would take an hour and a half each way, if the trains were running correctly.
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23. I am also afraid for my safety walking from Ingleburn station to the new site. It is an industrial area, and I will be travelling alone. I have been told that the area is not very safe.” 36
[33] Mrs Mirceska had a meeting with Ms Bates in late 2013. Ms Bates asked if Mrs Mirceska was going to go to Ingleburn. She said she would not. She told Ms Bates, "I can't travel. I don't drive a car and my husband can't drive me there." Ms Bates responded, "If you don't want to go, you don't want to go." 37
[34] In March 2014 Mrs Mirceska provided Ms Bates with a letter setting out the reasons she could not go to Ingleburn. Ms Bates responded that, "It's not the travelling, it's because you don't want to go. Don't think you'll get redundancy for nothing." Mrs Mirceska responded, "It’s not for nothing, I'm just fighting for my rights." 38 She then provided Ms Bates with a letter setting out her reasons for refusing to go to Ingleburn.39
Paul Gioffre
[35] Mr Gioffre provided a statement. 40 Mr Gioffre is 45 years old. His evidence as to his personal circumstances is set out below:
● He has worked at Darrell Lea for 12 years.
● He presently lives 800 metres from the Kogarah worksite. He only drives when it is raining.
● He works on the day shift from 6:30am to 2:30pm.
● Mr Gioffre is the carer for his mother. His evidence in this regard is set out below:
“17. In September 2001, my father passed away. My mother was in hospital with breast cancer at the same time.
18. At this time, I was working at Players Biscuits in Caringbah. I decided to leave and spend time looking after my mother.
19. I cared for my mother full-time for about six months. I then started looking for a job locally.
20. I applied at Darrel (sic) Lea because of its close location. At the time they were advertising for seasonal workers.
21. I got the job, and was made permanent shortly after that.
22. My mother is 83 years old. She has many health problems, and regularly needs to see her doctor, cardiologist, renal physician and ophthalmologist. I take her to these appointments.
23. A letter from my mother is attached and marked ‘B’.
24. I am the only person in my family that drives. I need to be near my mother in case she has an emergency.
25. My mother has occasionally needed my help during work hours. I remember an occasion about two years ago where her doctor called me during work hours asking me to pick my mother up and take her to the hospital, as her blood pressure was very high, I had to leave work straight away.
26. On another occasion in early 2013, I rang my mother during my lunch break. She was unwell, and I needed to take personal leave to take her to the doctor.
27. It is about forty minutes drive to Ingleburn from my house in no traffic. I have personally experienced traffic on the M5 that would make this journey longer.
28. If I am working in Ingleburn, I will not be close enough to respond if my mother has an emergency. My responsibilities to her prevent me from accepting this offer.
29. We have lived in this house since 1955. We cannot afford to move, and I believe it would distress my mother.
30. I also have a fourteen year old daughter. I have to pick her up for sporting events and orthodontist appointments.
31. My wife does not drive. She works part time as a casual at Darrel Lea. She relies on me to drive her around.
32. The additional travel time would also increase my petrol costs, and cause wear and tear on my car. I believe that this new travel time would cause me stress and put pressure on my family.” 41
[36] Mr Gioffre was cross-examined regarding his family arrangements. He confirmed that his wife worked an average of 38 hours per week for Darrell Lea. She has also worked for the last nine years part-time 18 hours per week at a plastics factory. 42
[37] Mr Gioffre provided details of his obligations in relation to school and other sports which include oz-tag and soccer. He also takes his daughter to regular fortnightly orthodontist appointments. 43
[38] Mr Gioffre’s evidence regarding his travel arrangements if he had to work at Ingleburn was that it would take him 38 minutes on average each way if there was no traffic. 44
[39] Mr Gioffre’s evidence regarding his care of his mother was that her condition is unpredictable and that she requires his personal attendance because of her cultural background. He referred to two occasions on which he had to leave work to assist his mother. His evidence was that his wife would have difficulty looking after his mother because of her variable work commitments. Also, English is not her first language. 45
[40] Mr Gioffre's evidence regarding his meeting with Ms Bates is set out below:
“34. I gave Kimberly a letter on Friday 10 January, setting out the reasons I have given in his statement.
35. In late February, I had a meeting with Kimberly Bates and Jim Tsiakos. We had a conversation to the following effect:
Kimberly: ‘I have a copy of the reasons why you can’t go. You’ve got here that you need to take your mum to doctor’s appointments and she’s not well. You can get government assistance with community health nurses, why don’t you do that?’
Me: ‘She’s not an invalid. My mum being an Italian, she will not let any strangers help her out like that. I have asked her before, and she got quite.’ (sic)
Jim: ‘So, the reason you can’t go Paul, is that you’re only two minutes away now so you can get there quickly if there’s an emergency, but if you’re in Ingleburn, you’re an extra 35 minutes away.’
Me: ‘Yes, that’s the reason. That’s 35 minutes if there’s no traffic. Also, if there’s an emergency, and I’m driving in a panic, that’s not very good.’
Kimberly: ‘We have to prepare things for the commission. Whatever happens, you will still have a job at Ingleburn.’” 46
[41] Ms Bates was cross-examined regarding her meeting with Mr Gioffre. 47 She confirmed that he had provided her with the details of his carer responsibities and she acknowledged that it was important to him to be close to his mother in case of an emergency. She was shown his sick leave record which demonstrated a number of absences for family leave. She confirmed that she told Mr Gioffre that DLE did not accept that he was entitled to a redundancy payment based on his personal circumstances. She did not raise the September 2012 contract with Mr Gioffre.48
Conclusion
[42] Ms Saunders submitted that location was an implied or express term of the contract of employment for these employees. As an indicative example she referred to the contract of employment of Grace Famiglietti, one of the members whose application was discontinued, in which the only address for employment was Kogarah. 49 She submitted that by attempting a unilateral variation of the contract of employment without a pre-existing contractual term allowing for such a variation, DLE had repudiated the existing contract of employment.
“Ms Saunders: ......By closing the factory and moving the operations to Ingleburn, the employer is unilaterally varying the contract. Employees can elect to accept the repudiation that arises. If they do, their employment has terminated at Darrell Lea’s initiative. The reason for the termination is of course redundancy as the employer has decided that it no longer wants the jobs, the whole jobs, including the location of the job, to be done by anyone.” 50
[43] I am satisfied that the closure of the Kogarah Darrell Lea site meant that the work that had been performed to date by the Kogarah employees was no longer required to be done by anyone. The employees at Kogarah were contracted to perform confectionery work at Kogarah. The only confectionery work ever performed by employees of Darrell Lea was performed at Kogarah. Ingleburn had always been exclusively a warehouse site. The Kogarah site was being closed and all Kogarah functions were to be performed at Ingleburn. I am satisfied that the closure of the Kogarah site created redundancies.
[44] Pursuant to clause 6 of the DLE Agreement DLE was required to consult concerning redundancies. I am satisfied and find that DLE did not consult concerning redundancies as required by the DLE Agreement. Neither Mr Tsiakos nor Ms Bates revealed to any employee they interviewed, that it was DLE’s position that the September 2012 contracts were a total answer to any claim for redundancy. It was an issue DLE kept entirely in reserve. Ms Bates’ evidence regarding her meetings with employees was inconsistent. Was she enquiring as to the claims of each employee to ascertain whether the circumstances of each was sufficient to justify a redundancy payment, or was she enquiring into the claims of each employee to ascertain if anything could be done to ensure their transfer to Ingleburn? I am not satisfied that she knew the answer to that question at the time she interviewed the employees. In any event, Ms Bates gathered information for DLE and provided it to Mr Quinn from whom I did not hear any evidence. He was the decision maker in relation to the payment or non-payment of redundancy entitlements. 51 I am satisfied that there was no consideration of the personal circumstances of any employee when considering Ingleburn as an offer of reasonable alternative employment. I am satisfied and find that DLE had already decided that the contract offered and accepted in September 2012 was a total answer to any such application.
[45] The remaining question for consideration by me was whether the offer of employment at Ingleburn was a reasonable offer of alternative employment in light of the circumstances affecting each employee.
[46] The proposal to move to Ingleburn was made on the basis of a $70 per week travel allowance. The original proposal had been made on the basis that this travel allowance was paid for 12 months. At the time of hearing that proposal had become an offer of a permanent $70 per week travel allowance. I have taken into account the payment of a travel allowance to employees who were offered work at Ingleburn. Although I was not satisfied that the $70 per week travel allowance represented a full reimbursement of expenses, I did not consider the payment of the allowance to be significant in my consideration of the issue before me. The cost of travel was not a factor that affected the decision-making of the employees who decided that work at Ingleburn was not a reasonable offer of alternative employment.
[47] Distance and the consequent additional travel time were however significant factors in relation to all six employees who were the subject of my Findings and Orders. It was necessary for me to make a finding concerning the travel time from Kogarah to Ingleburn. This issue was a constant theme in the evidence and submissions of the parties. The evidence varied. I was supplied with screenshots from Google Maps and Transport Infoline, the State Government public transport website. Ms Saunders provided journey plans between Kogarah and Ingleburn and the evidence addressed the various alternatives from a journey made in heaven to worst case scenarios. 52 I do not intend to repeat all the submissions, estimates of and guesses about travel time provided to me regarding travel time between Kogarah and Ingleburn and back again at various times of the day. I am satisfied and find that the travel time from west to east in the morning from Ingleburn to Kogarah is often the equivalent of sitting in a slow moving car park queue. I am satisfied and find that, at some times in a day, going in either direction, it can take well in excess of an hour and fifteen minutes to travel between those destinations. I am satisfied and find that an average journey can take between 40 and 55 minutes each way. I am satisfied and find that a perfect trip without excess traffic can take 38 - 40 minutes.
[48] During the course of the hearing before me negotiations took place between the Australian Manufacturing Workers’ Union (AMWU) and DLE. There were various offers, and then responses, which were the subject of further negotiations. Some of the offers were put in writing. In relation to one such offer Mr Reid sought to cross-examine. Those offers included the provision of a bus service from Kogarah to Ingleburn for dayshift employees only and, if the bus service was used, it precluded the payment of the travel allowance. The offer was conditional upon withdrawal from the proceedings before me. 53
[49] On the date that cross-examination was sought on this issue Mrs Mirceska had not had an opportunity to read the offer, although discussions had taken place between DLE and the AMWU. I determined that I would only hear evidence and allow cross-examination concerning offers that were still open when the hearing proceeded. 54
[50] I did not consider that the offer of transport for dayshift workers transformed the offer of employment at Ingleburn into a reasonable offer of alternative employment. The three employees on night shift would have had to transfer to dayshift, at a considerable reduction in wages, to take advantage of the offer. Ms Bates confirmed that the difference in wages was $312 gross per week. 55 All six employees would still have had to travel from their homes to Kogarah and then by bus from Kogarah to Ingleburn twice a day. I was satisfied that the time involved in travelling by bus from Kogarah to Ingleburn was, for all the relevant employees, excessive. This was particularly so for those employees who do not live close to Kogarah. I was satisfied that the move to Ingleburn involved significantly increased travel time for each of the relevant employees, although this was less of a factor for Mr Stueski. That finding was not, in the circumstances surrounding these employees, ameliorated by the terms of the offer of transport made by DLE in the course of the proceedings before me.
Mr McNeil
[51] I accepted Mr McNeil's evidence concerning his personal circumstances and his difficulties in travelling to Ingleburn. In relation to Mr McNeil I was satisfied and found that DLE's offer of alternative employment at Ingleburn was not a reasonable offer of alternative employment as contemplated by the DLE Agreement because of the personal circumstances of Mr McNeil involving the care of his mother and disabled sister and the additional burden of travel involved in the proposed move from Kogarah to Ingleburn.
Mr Perry
[52] I accepted Mr Perry's evidence concerning his personal circumstances and his difficulties in travelling to Ingleburn. In relation to Mr Perry I was satisfied and found that DLE's offer of alternative employment at Ingleburn was not a reasonable offer of alternative employment as contemplated by the DLE Agreement because of the personal circumstances of Mr Perry involving his health issues, his familiarity with his present work at Kogarah and his apprehension of changes to that work at Ingleburn, and the additional burden of travel involved in the proposed move from Kogarah to Ingleburn.
Mr Atalifo
[53] I accepted Mr Atalifo's evidence concerning his personal circumstances and difficulties in travelling to Ingleburn. In relation to Mr Atalifo I was satisfied and found that DLE’s offer of alternative employment at Ingleburn was not a reasonable offer of alternative employment as contemplated by the DLE Agreement because of the personal circumstances of Mr Atalifo involving his household arrangements for the care of his children, his financial arrangements and inability to travel by motor vehicle as a result of both of these factors, and the additional burden of travel involved in the proposed move from Kogarah to Ingleburn.
Mr Stueski
[54] I accepted Mr Stueski’s evidence concerning his personal circumstances and difficulties in travelling to Ingleburn. In relation to Mr Stueski I was satisfied and found that DLE's offer of alternative employment at Ingleburn was not a reasonable offer of alternative employment as contemplated by the DLE Agreement because of the personal circumstances of Mr Stueski involving his carer responsibilities in relation to his mother-in-law, Mrs Mickovska , and the additional burden of travel involved in the proposed move from Kogarah to Ingleburn.
Mrs Mirceska
[55] I accepted Mrs Mirceska’s evidence concerning her personal circumstances and difficulties in travelling to Ingleburn. In relation to Mrs Mirceska I was satisfied and found that DLE's offer of alternative employment at Ingleburn was not a reasonable offer of alternative employment as contemplated by the DLE Agreement because of the personal circumstances of Mrs Mirceska involving her inability to drive a motor vehicle, her difficulties in relation to public transport arising from the past motor vehicle accident, and the additional burden of travel involved in the proposed move from Kogarah to Ingleburn.
Mr Gioffre
[56] I accepted Mr Gioffre’s evidence concerning his personal circumstances and difficulties in travelling to Ingleburn. In relation to Mr Gioffre I was satisfied and found that DLE’s offer of alternative employment at Ingleburn was not a reasonable offer of alternative employment as contemplated by the DLE Agreement because of the personal circumstances of Mr Gioffre involving his carer responsibilities in relation to his mother, his family responsibilities arising from his wife's employment arrangements and his obligations in relation to his daughter, and the additional burden of travel involved in the proposed move from Kogarah to Ingleburn.
[57] I considered the circumstances of each of these employees and decided that DLE no longer required their jobs to be done by anyone, that the offer of employment at Ingleburn was not a reasonable offer of alternative employment and that they were entitled to a redundancy payment pursuant to the DLE Agreement.
SENIOR DEPUTY PRESIDENT
Appearances:
L. Saunders appearing on behalf of the Applicant
P. Reid appearing on behalf of the Respondent
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