Keenan, Stephen v Leighton Boral Amey NSW Pty Ltd T/A Leighton Boral Amey - [2015] FWC 3156

[2015] FWC 3156

The attached document replaces the document previously issued with the above code on 26 
June 2015.

At paragraph [12] the word “included” has been replaced with the word “concluded”. At 
paragraph [138] the word “that” has been replaced with the word “than”.

Associate to Vice President Hatcher 

Dated 13 January 2016















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Fair Work Act 2009 
s.394 - Application for unfair dismissal remedy

Stephen Keenan

v

Leighton Boral Amey NSW Pty Ltd
(U2015/2778)

VICE PRESIDENT HATCHER SYDNEY, 26 JUNE 2015

Application for relief from unfair dismissal.

Introduction 

[1] Mr Stephen Keenan has applied under s.394 of the Fair Work Act 2009 (FW Act) for 
an unfair dismissal remedy in relation to his dismissal from his employment as a Team Leader 
with Leighton Boral Amey NSW Pty Ltd (known as the Leighton Boral Amey Joint Venture 
or “LBAJV”). Mr Keenan was dismissed as a result of his conduct at the LBAJV Christmas 
function on 12 December 2014. The letter of dismissal, which was dated 19 January 2015 and 
signed by Mr Andrew Macourt, LBAJV’s People and Capability Manager, relevantly stated:

“. . .
In your role as a Team Leader you have a responsibility for the health and safety of 
yourself and those that work with you, and therefore the Company must hold you to 
the highest standards of behaviour and compliance.

However, you have failed to demonstrate these values. Your behaviour during the 
evening of 12 December 2014 has failed to meet our expectations with specific 
reference to our core value ‘Safety and Respect’. The issues, as substantiated in the 
investigation, include:

 Repeatedly making undesired romantic and sexual propositions to Tara Kennedy, 
despite her clear decline and refusal.

 Suddenly kissing Rachel O’Reilly in an unsolicited and unprovoked manner.

I am satisfied that you have failed to comply with your duties and obligations and have 
failed to demonstrate the necessary attributes required by the Leighton Boral Amey 
Joint Venture.

In light of this, taking into account your response to the allegations and your length of 
service with both RMS and LBAJV, the Joint Venture no longer has trust or 
confidence in your ability to perform your duties to the required level in the future. 
Therefore the Joint Venture has decided to terminate your employment.

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This letter is notice of the termination of your employment with effect from Tuesday 
20 January 2015. In accordance with your contract of employment you will receive 
four weeks pay in lieu of notice. LBAJV’s pay office will also process other 
termination entitlements including any untaken annual leave entitlements.
. . .”

[2] Mr Keenan contends that his dismissal was harsh, unfair and unjust, and he seeks the 
remedy of reinstatement.

Preliminary matters for determination 

[3] Section 396 of the FW Act requires that four specified matters must be decided before 
the merits of the application may be considered. There was no contest between the parties 
about any of those matters. I find that: 

(a) Mr Keenan lodged his application within the period required by s.394(2);

(b) Mr Keenan was a person protected from unfair dismissal;

(c) LBAJV was not a “small business employer” as defined in s.23 of the FW Act, 
so that the Small Business Fair Dismissal Code was inapplicable; and

(d) the termination of Mr Keenan’s employment was not a case of genuine 
redundancy.

The facts

The witnesses

[4] Mr Keenan gave evidence in support of his application, and he also called evidence 
from Mr Paul Noack, a Senior Branch Organiser of his union, the Australian Workers’ Union
(AWU), and Mr Ryan Cottee, a Team Leader with LBAJV. Mr Keenan, Mr Noack and Mr 
Cottee each made a statement of evidence and were cross-examined on their statements. Ms 
Lesley Kearns, who was at the relevant time an Operational Control Centre (OCC) Controller 
at LBAJV, also gave evidence in Mr Keenan’s case pursuant to an order to attend and give 
evidence.

[5] LBAJV adduced evidence from the following persons: 

 Mr Max Dallarmi, LBAJV Senior Project Manager, Tactical Pavement Projects; 
 Ms Tara Kennedy, LBAJV Communication and Stakeholder Engagement

Manager of the Sydney Region at the relevant time;
 Ms Rachel O’Reilly, LBAJV OCC Controller;
 Ms Danielle Malouf, LBAJV Communication and Stakeholder Engagement 

Coordinator; 
 Ms Jessica Stokes, LBAJV Executive Team Coordinator;
 Ms Stephanie Ng, LBAJV People and Capability Coordinator;
 Mr Andrew Macourt, LBAJV Senior People and Capability Advisor;
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 Mr Ben Goodsell, LBAJV Painter.

[6] Each of the witnesses for LBAJV made a statement of evidence and all except Mr 
Goodsell were cross-examined on their statements.

[7] The critical factual issue in this matter was Mr Keenan’s conduct at the LBAJV 
Christmas function and afterwards on 12 December 2014. There were some significant 
differences between Mr Keenan and other witnesses about some (but far from all) of his 
interactions with other persons at the Christmas function and afterwards. I will identify and 
resolve these specific factual differences in due course, but as a general proposition I consider 
that the evidence of LBAJV’s witnesses about these matters is to be preferred to that of Mr 
Keenan. As will become apparent, Mr Keenan quickly became heavily intoxicated by alcohol 
at the Christmas function, and this undoubtedly affected his capacity to remember all of what 
occurred. He had a tendency to make firm denials of conduct on his part which he probably 
had no recollection of, and was in some instances evasive with the truth. The LBAJV 
witnesses who described his conduct, on the other hand, generally did so in a manner which 
impressed me as being balanced and truthful. Their evidence was in most instances consistent 
with earlier accounts they had given of the relevant events, and there was no motive for them 
to be untruthful about those events. 

Employment background 

[8] LBAJV was established for the purpose of carrying out road maintenance work in the 
central Sydney area pursuant to a contract with Roads and Maritime Services (RMS), a NSW 
Government entity. RMS had originally conducted this work itself, but it was contracted out 
to LBAJV effective from 1 April 2014. The employees of RMS who had performed this work 
were transferred to LBAJV with full continuity of employment maintained.

[9] Mr Keenan was employed by the Roads and Traffic Authority (RTA), the predecessor 
of RMS, as a casual employee from 2000 through to 2003. He then worked as a plumber in 
Newcastle for some years before returning to Sydney to resume work as a casual Road 
Worker Grade 3 of the RTA in 2005. In or about 2007 he applied for and was successful in 
obtaining a permanent fixed term Road Worker Grade 3 position. From 19 January 2007 Mr 
Keenan was appointed to an ongoing permanent Road Worker Grade 4 position. He 
subsequently acted up as a relief Team Leader on many and some extended occasions. His 
employment transferred to LBAJV effective from 1 April 2014, and his continuity of 
employment and pay grade were maintained. In October 2014, he was appointed as a 
permanent Team Leader. Mr Keenan was elected the AWU delegate in April 2014, and was 
also one of the two elected employee Work Health and Safety Representatives.

[10] There was no issue concerning the quality of Mr Keenan’s work performance. There 
was only one blemish in his employment record, namely the issue to him by RMS of a 
warning letter dated 1 June 2012. That warning letter concerned three notes which had been 
sent to Mr Keenan’s acting Works Supervisor in March 2012. The letter recorded that Mr 
Keenan had confirmed that he was the author of the notes, which were described as 
containing “inappropriate material and may be considered as harassment”. The letter 
contained the following warning:

“This letter serves as a formal warning that your behaviour as outlined above is not 
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future. Should there be a repeat of such conduct, this could lead to disciplinary 
proceedings and outcomes including termination of employment”.

[11] The letter went on to note that two unopened bottles of beer had been found in the 
meal room refrigerator, which Mr Keenan had admitted belonged to him, and that Mr Keenan 
had advised that he had been experiencing some personal and substance abuse issues for 
which he intended to seek counselling. He was reminded of RMS’s policies concerning 
alcohol and illicit drugs, including that they were not to be brought into the workplace. This 
aspect of the letter was not part of the warning, and there was no suggestion in the letter that 
Mr Keenan had consumed alcohol in the workplace.

[12] There was no clear evidence about the nature of the conduct on the part of Mr Keenan 
which caused this warning to be issued. None of the LBAJV witnesses had any knowledge of 
it. Mr Keenan’s evidence about it was confusing: he said that he had “taken the fall” for 
somebody else, but at the same time suggested that the warning arose out of his conduct as a 
union representative on behalf of another employee. The content of the notes referred to in the
warning letter is unknown. As to the bottles of beer, Mr Keenan said that although he 
admitted they were his they in fact belonged to someone else. He said that he did have a 
problem with marijuana abuse at the time, but that this had been resolved after counselling. 
All that can really be concluded about this matter is that it was adjudged sufficiently serious 
to warrant the issue of a warning letter.

[13] Only one other matter arose in the evidence concerning Mr Keenan’s prior work 
record. Ms Rachel O’Reilly said in her evidence that Mr Keenan had used some bad language 
in several work reports which he had sent to her in the September-December 2014 period. 
This appears to have been an expression of frustration on Mr Keenan’s part about various 
work difficulties he had encountered. Ms O’Reilly reported this to a more senior employee, 
Mr Alejandro Huezo, but it was not the subject of any formal action. It may be concluded 
from an event which occurred at the Christmas function and which is dealt with later that Mr 
Huezo spoke to Mr Keenan about this matter.

Relevant LBAJV policies

[14] Employees of RMS, including Mr Keenan, who went over to work for LBAJV were 
required to sign a contract of employment which, among other things, required them to read 
and comply with LBAJV’s policies and procedures as they related to their employment, and 
provided that a breach of the obligations under those policies and procedures might result in 
disciplinary action including termination of employment. Such employees, again including 
Mr Keenan, were required upon the commencement of their engagement with LBAJV to 
attend an induction session in which they were trained in, among other things, LBAJV’s 
“Values and Behaviours”. This training was carried out by way of a Power Point presentation 
which included the following statements and propositions:

 LBAJV’s values included “Safety & Respect”;
 Employees were required to “Take personal responsibility for your actions and 

words”;
 LBAJV’s Code of Conduct “sets out the standards of behaviour expected from 

everyone on an LBA site”;
 LBAJV’s employment practices were intended to ensure that “The workplace is 

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 There was a policy in place to prevent and prohibit bullying, harassment and 
discrimination;

 Harassment was defined as “any form of unreasonable and inappropriate 
workplace behaviour that a person does not want; finds offensive, humiliating or
intimidating; and targets them on the basis of the attribute groups”;

 Sexual harassment was defined as “any form of sexually related behaviour that 
you do not want; and which offends, humiliates or intimidates [and] is of a sexual 
nature”.

[15] Mr Keenan accepted that he had signed the contract, and although he did not read it in 
its entirety said he had “looked at it”. He likewise attended the induction session and had paid 
attention to most of it. He understood that he was required not to engage in harassment, or 
sexual harassment, at the workplace. However, as will become apparent, there was an issue in 
this case about what the boundaries of the workplace were.

Organisation of the Christmas function

[16] The organisation of the LBAJV Christmas function was assigned to Ms Jessica Stokes 
who was, as earlier stated, the Executive Team Coordinator. She was assisted in this task by 
Ms Gabrielle Cosser, who was an Administrator. Neither was an employee with managerial or 
supervisory status. The venue arranged for the event was the Endeavour Room in the Novotel 
Sydney Brighton Beach Hotel (Hotel). The time set for the event was from 6.00pm to 
10.00pm. These times were identified on a notice concerning the Christmas function which 
was issued and displayed. The arrangement was that the Hotel would serve beer, wine, some 
mixed drinks, soft drinks, finger food and canapés during these hours as part of the hire of the 
room (that is, without charge to the attendees).

[17] LBAJV entered into a written contract with the Hotel for the hire of the Endeavour 
Room. Clause 37 of this contract provided:

“The Hotel complies with the National Alcohol Beverage Industries Council guidelines 
on the Responsible Service of Alcohol. The Hotel staff are instructed not to serve any 
alcoholic beverages to guests under the age of eighteen (18) years, or to guests in a 
state of intoxication. The Hotel policy is to serve guests in a responsible, friendly and 
professional manner. The right to discontinue liquor service is reserved by the Hotel. 
The Hotel will not supply beverages to the table for guests to serve themselves. All 
service for beverages will be provided by the wait staff.”

[18] Mr Macourt directed LBAJV’s supervisors to remind employees about appropriate 
standards of behaviour at the Christmas function prior to its commencement. Mr Keenan’s 
supervisor, Mr Heath Powderly made a note, dated 27 March 2015, of what he said to 
employees under his supervision during working hours on 12 December 2014. The note was 
admitted (as an annexure to Mr Macourt’s statement of evidence) without objection, and its 
content was, broadly speaking, accepted by Mr Keenan as correct. The note recorded:

“I said the work Christmas party is on tonight, I’m not going but to those guys who are 
going, enjoy yourself, it is a thank you for your work this year. Kevin is putting drinks 
on for everyone. Do me a favour, don’t be that idiot that I have to deal with on 
Monday morning. Don’t be that person who gets blind drunk, abuses someone or 
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[19] The Hotel set up a temporary bar facility in the Endeavour Room for the purpose of 
the LBAJV Christmas function. A number of tables were set up in a half-rectangle shape 
behind which Hotel Staff served the alcohol. Either one or two Hotel staff were serving 
alcohol for the duration of the Christmas function. Generally speaking a drink was able to be 
obtained by speaking to a person at the bar facility, who would then pour or hand over the 
drink. Bottled beer was contained in a “big Esky-type container”, and appears to have initially 
been handed out upon request by the bar staff. However it was the evidence of Mr Keenan 
that, beyond a certain point, attendees at the function were able to help themselves to the 
bottled beer. He was supported on this point by Mr Ryan Cottee, another LBAJV Team 
Leader who attended the function. I accept that evidence.

[20] The Endeavour Room was set up so that there were chairs placed around the walls, 
and the centre of the room was left empty for people to mingle and for dancing. Loud music 
was played in the background for the duration of the function. Being a fully enclosed function 
room, the Endeavour Room did not have any facility for cigarette smokers. However there 
was a public bar, restaurant and lounge area upstairs from the Endeavour Room which had an 
outdoor terrace upon which smoking could take place. This caused smokers to move upstairs 
and back downstairs during the course of the function.

[21] No manager was tasked with supervising the overall running of the Christmas function
or the conduct of staff. Mr Macourt departed the function between 8.30-9.00pm. Ms Stokes 
and Ms Cosser were left with the task of finishing up the function once the service of food 
and alcohol ceased at about 10.00pm.

Mr Keenan arrives at the Christmas function

[22] Mr Keenan finished work on the afternoon of 12 December 2014 at 3.30pm and went 
home to shower and change before attending the event. Mr Keenan’s partner drove him to the 
function and he arrived at around 7.00pm. His evidence was that he had two stubbies of beer 
before arriving at the Hotel. He was not the only employee who drank before arriving at the 
function; another employee, Mr Goodsell, said in his witness statement that he consumed 8 or 
9 drinks before arriving at the Endeavour Room, and Mr Macourt had two schooners of beer 
prior to his arrival.

[23] Mr Keenan appears to have quickly consumed a large amount of alcohol. His estimate 
was that from the time of his arrival until about 11.15pm, he drank a total of about ten beers 
and one vodka and coke. Events during the course of the evening, which are described below, 
demonstrate that he quickly became intoxicated. At no stage while he was in the Endeavour 
Room was he refused service of alcohol, although as earlier discussed he was beyond a 
certain point simply serving himself with beer. Nor did anyone remonstrate with him about 
his behaviour or suggest that he stop drinking or leave the function while he was in the 
Endeavour Room.

Incident with Mr Boggan

[24] After initial conversations with Mr Cottee and Mr Macourt, Mr Keenan was 
introduced to Mr Andy Boyd, the General Manager of Boral Asphalt NSW, a director of 
LBAJV and a “fellow Scotsman”, with whom he had a discussion. Mr Keenan said that their 
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evidence was that they were “rudely interrupted” by a male who involved himself in the 
conversation. This person, who Mr Keenan did not know, was Mr Richard Boggan, LBAJV’s 
Manager Network Operations and a LBAJV director. In his statement, Mr Keenan stated that 
in response to this intrusion he said to the man “Who are you mate?”. However in his oral 
evidence Mr Keenan accepted that he said to the man “Fuck off mate”. Mr Keenan said his 
conversation with Mr Boyd then continued, and ended with Mr Boyd handing him his 
business card. 

[25] Neither Mr Boyd nor Mr Boggan gave evidence. Mr Denmeade gave evidence that in 
a subsequent conversation Mr Keenan said that he had told Mr Boggan to “fuck off” although 
he did not know who he was speaking to at the time. I find that Mr Keenan did say “Fuck off 
mate” to Mr Boggan (although he did not know who Mr Boggan was at the time).

First incident with Ms Stokes

[26] Shortly after his conversation with Mr Boyd, Mr Keenan approached Ms Stokes. Ms 
Stokes gave evidence that between 7.30pm and 8.00pm she was approached by Mr Keenan 
and during this conversation Mr Keenan pointed at Mr Boggan and asked who he was. Ms 
Stokes said that it was Mr Boggan and advised that he was on the Board for Leightons. Mr 
Keenan then said “All those Board members and managers are fucked, they can all get 
fucked. Kevin Badger [LBAJV Contract Manager] is a cunt.” Mr Keenan then pointed at Mr 
Boyd and asked who he was. Ms Stokes said that it was Mr Boyd, and advised that he was a 
General Manager for Boral and was also on the Board. Mr Keenan started laughing and said 
“I think I just told him to fuck off”.

[27] Ms Stokes asked Mr Keenan why he had a problem with management and told him 
that she worked closely with those people and did not agree with what he was saying. Mr 
Keenan said to Ms Stokes “What do you even do?” to which Ms Stokes laughed as she 
believed he was joking and Mr Keenan then said “No seriously. Who the fuck are you? What 
do you even do here?”. Ms Stokes did not respond and simply walked away. In her statement 
of evidence Ms Stokes said that she found Mr Keenan’s language offensive, and that during 
the conversation his speech was slurred and hard to follow and he was speaking very close to 
her ear. 

[28] When Mr Keenan was taken to this part of Ms Stokes’ evidence in examination in 
chief, he denied saying that he swore at Mr Boyd, denied swearing about LBAJV 
management generally, and denied swearing at her. Both in examination in chief and cross-
examination he said he had no recollection of this conversation with Ms Stokes at all.

[29] I substantially accept the evidence of Ms Stokes. She had only consumed about two 
drinks at the time of this conversation, so that it cannot be said that her recollection was 
affected by alcohol. Ms Stokes gave a clear account of Mr Keenan speaking aggressively and 
offensively to her, and there was no suggestion that she had any motive to invent or embellish 
her account. However in one respect her recollection was clearly faulty. Having regard to the 
earlier events I have described, it must have been Mr Boggan, not Mr Boyd, who Mr Keenan 
asked to be identified and whom he said he had told to “fuck off”. On the basis of Ms Stokes’ 
evidence I find that Mr Keenan was already significantly affected by alcohol by this time. I 
also suspect that the incident may have occurred somewhat later in the night than suggested 
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Incident with Ms Kennedy

[30] Ms Tara Kennedy, LBAJV’s Communication and Stakeholder Engagement Manager, 
gave evidence that at around 10.00pm she sat down by herself on one of about ten chairs 
positioned against one of the walls of the Endeavour Room in order to rest her left foot, which 
was hurting her. After about five minutes Mr Keenan came and sat in the chair directly next to 
her and began talking to her. At this point in time Ms Kennedy had only seen Mr Keenan 
once before at an induction. Her evidence was that Mr Keenan began by saying “I hate 
working for LBAJV. It’s a shit place to work. In fact I just told the head of Leightons to fuck 
off”. He then began to “interview” her by asking her a number of questions which she 
regarded as personal in nature. She described a conversation to the following effect occurring:

Mr Keenan: I am going to interview you now. Are you married or 
divorced?

Ms Kennedy: I’m divorced.

Mr Keenan: Are you with anyone?

Ms Kennedy: I’m not interested in being in a relationship with anyone at the 
moment.

Mr Keenan: Do you have any children?

Ms Kennedy: Yes I have two boys.

Mr Keenan: I have 2 children too. Two girls who are ice skaters. What do 
your kids like doing?

Ms Kennedy: My son enjoys horse riding.

Mr Keenan: My daughters and I could go horse riding with you and your 
children, and you and your children could come ice skating 
with us.

[31] Ms Kennedy said she did not respond to this final comment and Mr Keenan then said 
words to the effect “I want to ask for your number, but I don’t want to be rejected”. Ms 
Kennedy laughed at this but did not respond and Mr Keenan repeated the statement three or 
four times whilst they were sitting down. In her witness statement, Ms Kennedy said that she 
felt embarrassed and intimidated by his behaviour and tried to answer Mr Keenan’s questions 
as politely and briefly as possible so that he would not get angry with her. She described Mr 
Keenan’s demeanour as aggressive and said that he was speaking close to her face. In her oral 
evidence she said that he was intoxicated.

[32] Ms Kennedy’s evidence was that she became increasingly uncomfortable and looked 
around the room trying to get someone’s attention. She said that she made eye contact with 
Mr Max Dallarmi, LBAJV’s Senior Project Manager, and tapped her head a couple of times 
with one of her fingers. This was a signal which some of the female employees of LBAJV had 
agreed to use at the Christmas function if they became stuck in a conversation they wanted to 
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over to where she and Mr Keenan were sitting and sat down in the chair next to her on the 
opposite side. Mr Keenan reacted to this by saying to Mr Dallarmi “I’m talking to her now 
fuck off”. Ms Kennedy said that she then asked Mr Dallarmi “Do you think it’s ok if I go 
now?”, to which Mr Dallarmi nodded. Ms Kennedy then got up, walked out of the room and 
went home.

[33] Mr Dallarmi’s evidence was broadly consistent with that of Ms Kennedy’s. He 
confirmed that after he saw Ms Kennedy using the head signal, he walked over and sat down 
next to her. He said that he asked “Do you want to leave?”, to which Ms Kennedy replied “I 
don’t feel comfortable leaving” but then shortly afterwards said “You know what? I’m just 
going to go” and left. Mr Dallarmi stayed sitting with Mr Keenan to make sure he did not 
follow her, and then Mr Keenan was joined by some other LBAJV employees who handed 
him a beer. Mr Dallarmi said he saw Mr Keenan pull a face and nod his head in his (Mr 
Dallarmi’s) direction, which he took to mean that he was not happy with the interruption to 
his conversation with Ms Kennedy. He did not recall Mr Keenan speaking to him at any time. 
He did confirm that Mr Keenan was sitting in the seat right next to Ms Kennedy’s.

[34] Mr Keenan recalled that he had a conversation with Ms Kennedy, but his account 
differed in a number of respects to hers. He agreed that he initiated the encounter by 
approaching her while she was sitting alone, but said that he sat down with one empty seat 
between him and her. He described the conversation as lasting five to ten minutes, and said 
that she volunteered that she had split up with her husband and was left on her own with two 
children. He denied that part of the conversation described by Ms Kennedy in which he said 
he hated working for LBAJV. He also denied asking for her phone number. He said that his 
children were horse riders, not ice skaters, so that Ms Kennedy had not correctly recollected 
the discussion they had about their children. He accepted that Mr Dallarmi had joined them, 
but denied speaking to him. His said in his witness statement: “At no point did I intimidate, 
invade her space, make any romantic sexual suggestions, caress or make any advances which 
could be seen as unwarranted”.

[35] I broadly accept Ms Kennedy’s version of this conversation. I accept that Mr Keenan
sat directly next to her; this was corroborated by Mr Dallarmi. I accept that he spoke of his 
dislike of his work; Ms Kennedy’s account of this part of the conversation is entirely 
consistent with the evidence, earlier set out, that Mr Keenan told Mr Boggan to “fuck off”. I 
accept that Mr Keenan asked Ms Kennedy a number of questions about her personal and 
family life. Ms Kennedy may not (unsurprisingly) have recalled the precise details of this part 
of the conversation correctly, but that a conversation of this general nature occurred was not 
denied by Mr Keenan. I accept, over Mr Keenan’s denial, that in an indirect fashion he asked 
for her phone number more than once. There is no dispute that Mr Dallarmi intervened in the 
encounter at a certain point. I accept Ms Kennedy’s evidence that Mr Keenan said to Mr
Dallarmi something along the lines of “I’m talking to her now fuck off”. The fact that Mr 
Dallarmi himself did not hear this is likely explained by the facts that he was two seats away 
from Mr Keenan, Mr Keenan was slurring his words, and there was loud music playing in the 
background. Mr Dallarmi’s separate evidence about Mr Keenan’s subsequent facial 
expression and nod in his direction confirms that Mr Keenan was not pleased with his 
intervention. Finally, I accept that the encounter disturbed Ms Kennedy sufficiently to cause 
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[36] The LBAJV function officially ended at 10.00pm with service of alcohol in the 
Endeavour Room ceasing at about that time. Some attendees remained in the Endeavour 
Room for some time after this, but a large group which included Mr Keenan moved upstairs 
to the public bar area (to which reference has earlier been made) to continue socialising. At 
this point, the participants were no longer at the Hotel as participants in a function, but were 
there simply as members of the public availing themselves of the Hotel’s services. In 
particular, they were buying their own drinks at this stage of the night.

[37] Ms Stokes gave evidence that she had a second encounter with Mr Keenan at this 
stage of evening while sitting in the outside courtyard area where the smokers gathered. She 
said that Mr Keenan attempted to start a conversation with her, and in doing so he was 
slurring his words and leaning in close to her face. Ms Stokes said she tried to ignore him and 
move away, but Mr Keenan kept trying to speak with her and move closer to her. Ms Stokes 
said “At one point, he tried a number of times to touch the dimple on my chin. I pulled away 
from the Applicant and did not let him touch me.” In her oral evidence, Ms Stokes made it 
clear that Mr Keenan did make contact with her chin at least once and she pulled away. I 
accept Ms Stokes’ evidence about this incident.

Incidents with Ms Cosser 

[38] There were two incidents involving encounters between Mr Keenan and Ms Gabrielle 
Cosser. Ms Cosser herself did not give evidence, having left her employment with LBAJV 
earlier this year and returned to the United Kingdom. The first of these two incidents is 
referred to in notes taken by Ms Ng of an interview with Ms Cosser on 16 December 2014. It 
is not clear at what stage of the night the incident occurred. The notes record the allegation 
that, having observed Ms Cosser have a conversation with Mr Kevin Badger, Mr Keenan 
came up to her after the conversation had ended and said “why the fuck are you talking to 
Kevin?”. When this was raised with Mr Keenan in cross-examination, it was put to him that it 
occurred in the upstairs bar. Mr Keenan agreed that he said this to Ms Cosser, thus confirming 
the allegation which was otherwise not the subject of any direct evidence.

[39] The second incident was witnessed by Ms Stokes. It occurred in the terrace area 
outside the upstairs bar after the function had ended. Ms Stokes said that she overheard Mr 
Keenan say to Ms Cosser “I used to think you were a stuck up bitch, but Ryan [Cottee] says 
you are alright. If Ryan likes you then you must be ok”. Soon after this Ms Stokes and Ms 
Cosser went to the bathroom together, and Ms Cosser said to Ms Stokes that she was very 
upset by what Mr Keenan had said to her. Ms Danielle Malouf, although she did not witness 
the incident, gave evidence that she subsequently saw that Ms Cosser was upset and crying, 
and that Ms Cosser told her that Mr Keenan had called her a bitch.

[40] Mr Keenan’s evidence was that at one stage of the evening he danced with Ms Cosser 
and had engaged in amicable conversation with her prior to dancing. However, he effectively 
conceded the substance of the conversation in that he gave evidence that he said to Ms Cosser 
words to the effect of: “I thought you were a little bitch but you know you’re okay and I like 
you”. Mr Keenan denied that this upset Ms Cosser and claimed that a completely unrelated 
incident had caused her to become upset. 

[41] Clearly the incident occurred substantially as described by Ms Stokes. Mr Keenan, 
expressing himself with a drunk’s frankness, no doubt thought that he was paying Ms Cosser
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“bitch” and became upset to the point of tears. I reject Mr Keenan’s evidence that it was a
different matter which caused her distress.

Incident with Ms O’Reilly

[42] The final incident in the Hotel involved Ms Rachel O’Reilly, an LBAJV OCC
Controller. She gave evidence about the incident, as did two others who witnessed it, Ms 
Malouf and Mr Goodsell. Ms O’Reilly’s evidence was that earlier in the night she had a brief 
conversation with Mr Keenan at approximately 8.00pm in which he said that “Alex” (Mr 
Alejandro Huezo) had spoken to him about his “comments” in his work reports and that he 
was “Sorry if I upset you or anything”. Ms O’Reilly recalled that later during the course of 
their conversation Mr Keenan said “I don’t drink spirits, it gets me into trouble”, and shadow 
punched the air, which concerned her somewhat. However the conversation between them 
continued and moved onto other more agreeable topics. 

[43] After this conversation Ms O’Reilly did not interact with Mr Keenan again until about 
10.30-11.00pm, after the function had ended and Ms O’Reilly was in the upstairs bar area. 
She had gone up to the bar to buy herself a drink when Mr Keenan approached her. She 
described him as agitated, slurring his words and not walking properly. She said he pointed 
out somebody who was standing in the outside terrace area, and the following exchange 
occurred:

Mr Keenan: I used to work with that guy at RMS. I hate him. I want to 
punch him.

Ms O’Reilly: It’s the Christmas party. Don’t worry about it. If he works in 
the office, don’t worry about him, just ignore him. If you don’t 
want to talk to him, don’t talk to him there are plenty of 
people here, just have a good time.

[44] They were then joined by Ms Malouf. Ms O’Reilly said that she turned to the bar to 
get a drink of water, and the conversation continued as follows:

Mr Keenan: Will you buy me a drink?

Ms O’Reilly: What do you want?

Mr Keenan: Vodka.

Ms O’Reilly: I thought you didn't drink spirits?

Mr Keenan: No, no. A vodka and coke.

[45] Ms O’Reilly then ordered Mr Keenan’s drink and handed it to him. Her evidence was 
that general conversation continued for about five minutes, with Mr Goodsell joining them at 
some point. Then, while she was leaning against the bar and her drink was sitting on the bar, 
Mr Keenan, with no warning whatsoever, suddenly reached forward, held her face on both 
sides with his hands, and kissed her on the mouth. Ms O’Reilly was shocked by this. She said 
Ms Malouf talked to Mr Keenan to distract him, and Mr Goodsell said to her “I’m so sorry”. 
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emerged with another work colleague, they walked past Mr Keenan, who, according to Ms 
O’Reilly, said: “I’m going to go home and dream about you tonight”.

[46] Both Ms Malouf and Mr Goodsell’s evidence was consistent with Ms O’Reilly’s. Ms 
Malouf’s evidence was that during the conversation they could not understand what Mr 
Keenan was saying and they knew that he was drunk. She described the kiss as a peck on the 
lips, and said that those present “laughed in shock”. Mr Goodsell said that Mr Keenan’s 
speech was slurred and difficult to understand, and that he had put his hands around Ms 
O’Reilly’s head and kissed her on the lips. He confirmed that, immediately after the incident,
he apologised to Ms O’Reilly, and then told Mr Keenan that he had to leave. Mr Goodsell
said he put his hand on Mr Keenan’s shoulder and walked him out of the venue and 
downstairs to the taxi stand in the street. 

[47] Mr Keenan did not deny kissing Ms O’Reilly. When Mr Keenan was first interviewed 
in relation to the incident he said that he kissed Ms O’Reilly on the cheek and described it as a 
“Merry Christmas” kiss. However in his witness statement, Mr Keenan described it as a 
“quick kiss on the lips”. He said that he noticed Ms O’Reilly at the bar with other LBAJV 
employees and that he approached her and asked “How are you?” before giving her the kiss 
and saying “Merry Christmas”. He attempted to place this in the context of an amicable 
though infrequent work relationship. In his statement he denied touching her, although in his 
oral evidence he said that he touched her head and shoulders for a short time when he kissed 
her. He denied subsequently saying to her “I’m going to go home and dream about you 
tonight”. He also denied asking her to buy him a drink; he said that she offered to buy him a 
drink.

[48] The inconsistencies in Mr Keenan’s account of this event make it difficult to accept 
his version of events where it substantially differs from that of Ms O’Reilly. Not much turns 
on whether Mr Keenan asked Ms O’Reilly to buy him a drink or whether she offered; the 
critical observation to be made about this part of the encounter is that Ms O’Reilly bought Mr 
Keenan a mixed drink in circumstances where it was plain to her and those with her that he 
was drunk. I accept that Mr Keenan placed his hands on both sides of Ms O’Reilly’s face 
when he kissed her. The kiss itself was a brief one. Nobody heard Mr Keenan say “Merry 
Christmas” when he kissed her, although it is possible that he did so but nobody understood 
what he was saying. I accept that Mr Keenan subsequently said to Ms O’Reilly: “I’m going to 
go home and dream about you tonight”. I further accept that Mr Keenan’s conduct caused Mr 
Goodsell to steer him out of the bar and outside to the taxi stand.

[49] What was going on in Mr Keenan’s head during this behaviour is difficult to discern. 
He was undoubtedly well past being capable of rational behaviour at this point, and I tend to 
the view that the kiss was the impulsive act of an intoxicated man. Whether it was an oafish 
attempt at friendliness or an intentionally sexual act is impossible to say, although his 
subsequent comment to Ms O’Reilly tends to suggest that the latter was the case. For reasons 
which will be explained, it is not ultimately necessary to resolve this issue.

Incident with Ms Kearns

[50] A number of the LBAJV employees decided to move on to another venue, the 
Rocksia, at some time after 11.00pm. They gathered outside the Hotel at the taxi stand for the 
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Lesley Kearns. Ms Kearns’s evidence was that, while they were waiting for a taxi, the 
following exchange occurred between Mr Keenan and her:

Mr Keenan: My mission tonight is to find out what colour your knickers 
you have on.

Ms Kearns: They are white, touch my skirt and I’ll kill you.

[51] Ms Kearns said that she was not offended by Mr Keenan’s behaviour and that she 
simply kept her distance from Mr Keenan because she knew that he was intoxicated (she 
described him as stumbling and swaying by this time). Mr Keenan did not deny that this 
incident took place, and I find that it occurred as described by Ms Kearns.

[52] Shortly after this conversation Mr Keenan caught a taxi with Ms Kearns, Mr Goodsell 
and another LBAJV employee to the Rocksia. Mr Keenan was refused entry (making that the 
first time that responsible service of alcohol obligations were adhered to that evening). A 
fellow employee then directed Mr Keenan to a taxi and he went home.

Investigation and dismissal process 

[53] LBAJV management first became aware of the allegations against Mr Keenan on 
Monday 15 December 2014 when a number of employees approached Mr Macourt regarding 
Mr Keenan’s behaviour. Neither Ms Kennedy or Ms O’Reilly themselves raised any 
complaint about the incidents in which they had been involved, although it appears Ms 
O’Reilly had decided to raise the kissing incident but was approached by management about 
the matter before she could do so. As a result of the information he received Mr Macourt 
asked Ms Stephanie Ng to speak with Ms Cosser about the events at the Christmas function.   

[54] On Tuesday 16 December 2014 Mr Macourt became aware of further allegations 
regarding Mr Keenan’s behaviour and formed the view that he would need to meet with Mr 
Keenan to discuss his recollection of events. Mr Macourt arranged to meet Mr Keenan for an 
“informal meeting” at the Rockdale depot that afternoon (the first meeting). In his statement 
of evidence Mr Macourt said that he called Mr Noack prior to his meeting with Mr Keenan 
and the following conversation occurred: 

Mr Macourt: There’s been some allegations involving Steve at the 
Christmas party. I don’t know the detail and I haven’t started 
the investigation yet but I want to give Steve an opportunity to 
see whether there is anything he wants to put forward first.

Mr Noack: You’re not going to make a decision at this meeting are you?

Mr Macourt: No, the intent is to understand if Steve has anything he’d like 
to put forward or volunteer. We may commence a formal 
investigation after this meeting.

[55] It was Mr Noack’s evidence that after his conversation with Mr Macourt he called Mr 
Keenan and said that he would not be able to attend the meeting that afternoon and advised 
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[56] At 3.00pm on 16 December 2014 Mr Keenan reported to the LBAJV office for his 
scheduled meeting with Mr Macourt. Mr Keenan gave evidence that he attended the meeting 
alone and when he realised that Mr Macourt, Mr Denmeade and Ms Ng were present he made 
the remark “I thought this was an informal chat!” Mr Macourt maintained that it was an 
informal discussion and that Mr Denmeade was present because he was Mr Keenan’s 
Manager and Ms Ng was present to take notes. Mr Keenan said that he was not offered a 
support person and he was denied suitable representation at the meeting. Mr Macourt said that 
Mr Keenan was not denied representation at the meeting and that while Mr Keenan was not 
offered a support person, had he requested a support person be present, this would have been 
accommodated. Mr Keenan said that despite the advice he had received from Mr Noack not to 
answer any questions, Mr Macourt continuously pressed him to respond saying “If you can’t 
remember or fail to respond this will go against you”. It was Mr Macourt’s evidence that the 
following conversation took place: 

Mr Macourt: This isn’t a formal meeting. There’s been allegations and 
rumours made about the Christmas party. Is there anything 
you want to tell us about what happened at the party?

Mr Keenan: No, I don’t know what you’re talking about mate. I went to the 
Christmas Party. I had a couple of drinks and went home. 
Nothing happened.

Mr Macourt: Ok, there have been a number of rumours and allegations 
regarding bullying and harassing behaviour at the Christmas 
Party. In particular, your interactions with Richard Boggan 
and Andy Boyd, Gabrielle Cosser, Tara Kennedy and Jessica 
Stokes. At this point we’ll commence a formal investigation 
which will include interviewing witnesses and presenting the 
findings to you. The outcome of this investigation may include 
disciplinary action up to and including termination of 
employment. Until the investigation is concluded and until 
we’re otherwise comfortable you’ll be stood down on pay. Do 
you have any questions?

Mr Keenan: What if I don’t respond?

Mr Macourt: We’ll have to make a decision based on the evidence that’s 
before us.  

[57] There is an inconsistency in the LBAJV evidence regarding the timeline of this 
investigation. It was Mr Macourt’s evidence that because Mr Keenan was unable to put 
forward any information at this meeting, he decided that a formal investigation into the 
allegations was necessary and so he asked Ms Ng to conduct interviews in relation to the 
allegations. However, Ms Ng’s evidence was that she conducted interviews with Ms 
Kennedy, Mr Dallarmi, Ms Cosser, Ms O’Reilly, Ms Malouf and Mr Goodsell on Tuesday 16 
December 2014 before the meeting with Mr Keenan took place. 

[58] In any event, by 17 December 2014 Ms Ng had prepared a summary of her
investigation, a copy of which was annexed to her witness statement, which identified eight 
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1. Inappropriate behaviour and language towards Mr Boggan and Mr Boyd.
2. Sexual harassment of Ms Kennedy.
3. Bullying of Ms Cosser (re her conversation with Kevin Badger).
4. Bullying of Mr Cosser by calling her names.
5. Bullying of Ms Stokes (the first incident).
6. Further harassment of Ms Stokes (the second incident).
7. Sexual harassment of Ms O’Reilly.
8. Sexual harassment of Ms Kearns.

[59] Mr Macourt was provided with a copy of Ms Ng’s report on 17 December 2014 and 
on the morning of 18 December 2014 a meeting between Mr Keenan, Mr Noack, Mr Macourt, 
Ms Ng and Mr Denmeade took place (the second meeting). The purpose of this meeting was 
to seek Mr Keenan’s response to each of the eight allegations. However it is apparent from Mr 
Macourt’s own account of the meeting that he failed to identify the factual content of most of 
the allegations in a way which would permit Mr Keenan to give an informed response. Mr 
Macourt’s evidence was to the effect that he described the allegations in very general terms 
similar to the way in which I have set them out above. He then went through each allegation, 
but did so by asking open questions about them rather than putting the substance of the 
allegation. For example, regarding allegation 3 Mr Macourt asked “do you remember 
anything regarding an incident where you saw Kevin Badger talking to Gabrielle Cosser?” In 
relation to allegation 4 Mr Macourt asked “did you at any point call Gabby any names that 
resulted in her crying?”, and in relation to allegation 6 Mr Macourt asked “Do you remember 
any other interactions with Jess that made her feel uncomfortable?” Allegation 5 was 
misrepresented, since Mr Macourt first asked whether Mr Keenan had described certain 
managers in offensive terms to Ms Stokes, and then simply asked “Do you remember any 
other interactions with Jess that made her feel uncomfortable?” Concerning what turned out 
to be the critical allegations, namely allegations 2 and 7, Mr Macourt simply asked 
“Regarding allegation 2, do you remember the conversation with Tara Kennedy where you 
asked for her number?” and “Did you kiss Rachel O’Reilly?” Notwithstanding the way in 
which the allegations were made, Mr Keenan provided answers which effectively confirmed 
allegations 1, 4 and 7.

[60] During this meeting, Mr Keenan and Mr Noack proposed a number of measures as 
alternatives to dismissal, including:

 a written warning; 
 a written apology;
 counselling; 
 demotion from Team Leader (although without loss of pay); 
 a ban from attendance at any future Company-organised functions; and 
 monitoring of progress and observance of behaviour.  

[61] At the conclusion of the meeting Mr Macourt said that the company would need some 
time to consider the issues and the parties agreed that if the decision had not been made by the 
next day, it would be communicated to Mr Keenan on 20 January 2015 after he and Mr Noack 
returned from leave. 

[62] On the afternoon of either 17 or 18 December 2014 (there was some inconsistency in 
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the allegations. The decision was made to terminate Mr Keenan’s employment with LBAJV. 
Mr Macourt said that in making this decision, the following matters were taken into account:

 the “findings” in Ms Ng’s report that Mr Keenan had sexually harassed Ms 
Kennedy and Ms O’Reilly;

 the seriousness and impact of the behaviour towards Ms Kennedy and Ms 
O’Reilly;

 LBAJV’s stated values and behaviours, including its Code of Conduct and its 
Equal Employment Opportunity, Discrimination, Bullying and Harassment 
policy;

 that Mr Keenan knew or should have known that his conduct was in breach of the 
Code of Conduct and the identified policy;

 Mr Keenan’s responses at the meetings on 16 and 18 December 2014;
 the disciplinary outcomes proposed by Mr Keenan and Mr Noack;
 Mr Keenan’s employment history with both LBAJV and RMS;
 the lack of any alternative locations to which Mr Keenan could be sent to ensure 

that he would have no interaction with Ms Kennedy or Ms O’Reilly; and
 the fact that the demotion proposed was without loss of pay.

[63] It was decided not to inform Mr Keenan of his dismissal immediately so as not to spoil 
his Christmas holiday. It was eventually communicated to Mr Keenan at a meeting on 20 
January 2015, after he had returned from his holiday. He was handed the letter of termination 
(bearing the previous day’s date) at this meeting. Only allegations 2 and 7 were relied upon to 
justify the dismissal. Mr Macourt said that this was because allegations 1 and 8 were not 
considered substantial enough to warrant dismissal, and the other allegations could not be 
corroborated.

[64] Mr Noack, who was present at the 20 January 2015 meeting, strongly protested the 
decision to dismiss Mr Keenan. In doing so, he contended that the decision was inconsistent 
with the treatment of members of senior management involved in “much worse incidents”. He 
gave as an example of this that Mr Denmeade, who was the LBAJV Maintenance 
Superintendent, had said to a female apprentice in late 2014: “Let’s put our cocks on the table 
and see who’s got the biggest”. Mr Macourt responded by saying that this matter had been 
dealt with. Mr Noack requested that the decision be reviewed, and proposed that Mr Keenan 
be moved to an alternative position at Dead Man’s Creek and lose his Team Leader’s position 
(without loss of pay). Mr Macourt undertook to consider this and get back to Mr Noack 
within 24 hours. Mr Macourt subsequently contacted Mr Noack in accordance with this 
undertaking, and said the decision to dismiss would stand.

Events since the dismissal

[65] Mr Keenan has been unable to obtain alternative employment since his dismissal, 
although it appears he has only attempted to obtain temporary or casual employment to last 
him until his unfair dismissal case is determined.

[66] Ms Kennedy no longer works at the LBAJV depot; she has transferred to a Leightons 
construction project, and it is unlikely that she will return to employment with LBAJV in the 
foreseeable future. Ms Cosser, as earlier stated, has left her employment with LBAJV and has 
moved out of the country. Ms O’Reilly is currently rostered to work night shifts, but may be 
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Incident involving Mr Denmeade

[67] The incident involving Mr Denmeade to which Mr Noack referred at the 20 January 
2015 meeting was the subject of evidence in this matter. It became of significance because Mr 
Keenan contended that in deciding to dismiss him, LBAJV treated him unequally and unjustly 
having regard to its response to this incident. Mr Denmeade was LBAJV’s Maintenance 
Superintendent and was a participant in the decision to dismiss Mr Keenan. 

[68] Mr Noack gave evidence that he had been approached by a female temporary trades 
employee (not an apprentice, as he had stated at the 20 January 2015 meeting) named Sandy, 
who had told him about the incident (in the terms conveyed by Mr Noack at the 20 January 
2015 meeting). She told him she was upset about the incident, but did not want to complain 
because she was hoping to be made a full time employee and did not want to affect that.

[69] In reply to this, Mr Denmeade in his evidence gave his own description of what 
occurred. He said that in about November 2014 he conducted a series of meetings with the 
maintenance team regarding a management decision to reduce the number of rostered days off 
for electricians and electrical supervisors from two to one per month. He said that at one of 
these meetings Sandy had become agitated by the decision and the following exchange 
between her and Mr Denmeade took place:  

Sandy: Do you just lay in bed at night and think about ways to fuck us 
over?

Denmeade: This is a commercial decision. No I don’t lay in bed thinking 
about ways to fuck you over.

Sandy: You’ve only done this because we’ve got a blue collar.

Denmeade: I’m a carpenter by trade. Don’t throw that blue and white 
collar at me.

Sandy: Look, I just haven’t had much sleep my neighbours are noisy 
and keep me up all day when I should be sleeping.

Denmeade: I appreciate that Sandy but we all have our problems at home 
that we can’t bring to work, I myself haven’t had much sleep 
lately either.

Sandy: I bet you’ve had more sleep than me.

Denmeade: Do you want us to get our cocks out and measure them too?

Sandy: I bet I could piss up a wall higher than you.

[70] According to Mr Denmeade, he realised he had said something inappropriate and 
asked Sandy to stay back after the meeting. He said that they resolved the issue with mutual 
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[71] Mr Macourt’s evidence was that after Mr Denmeade had reported the matter to him, 
he spoke to Sandy. He said that Sandy had acknowledged her involvement in the incident 
“and the extent to which her own conduct had contributed to Mr Denmeade’s response”, that 
she did not feel threatened, harassed or intimidated, was comfortable with Mr Denmeade’s 
response and did not want the matter to be taken any further. Mr Macourt said that he then 
counselled Mr Denmeade about his use of inappropriate language.

[72] Sandy was not called to give evidence about the matter by either party. I am not 
prepared to make findings about her conduct at the meeting, or her subsequent conversations 
with Mr Denmeade or Mr Macourt, in the absence of her having had an opportunity to 
respond. The critical fact which has clearly been established by the evidence is that Mr 
Denmeade said to Sandy, in front of a meeting of employees at the workplace: “Do you want 
us to get our cocks out and measure them too?” I accept the substance of Mr Noack’s 
evidence that Sandy told him she had been upset by the incident but did not feel herself in a 
position to complain about it. That puts in considerable doubt whether anything she told Mr 
Macourt concerning the incident represented her true feelings about it.

Whether Mr Keenan was unfairly dismissed 

[73] Section 387 of the FW Act requires the Commission, in considering whether a 
dismissal was harsh, unjust or unreasonable, to take into account a number of matters 
specified in paragraphs (a) to (h) of the section. I will deal with each of these matters in 
relation to Mr Keenan’s application in turn below. 

Paragraph 387(a) 

[74] Although LBAJV relied on only two of the eight allegations identified in Ms Ng’s 
report (that is, allegations 2 and 7 of those set out in paragraph [58] above), at the 
determinative conference in this matter it sought to rely upon all eight allegations. It was 
entitled to take this approach. In MM Cables v Zammit1 a Full Bench of the Australian 
Industrial Relations Commission said, in relation to s.170CG(3)(a) of the Workplace 
Relations Act 1996 (the equivalent of the current s.387(a)) that “the Commission is obliged to 
consider whether there was a valid reason for the termination - that inquiry is not limited to 
the reason given by the employer for the termination”. However LBAJV properly 
acknowledged that, in light of Mr Macourt’s evidence that allegations 1 and 8 were not 
considered sufficiently serious to warrant dismissal, it could not rely upon those allegations as 
constituting by themselves a valid reason for dismissal.

[75] Based on the findings of fact I have earlier made, I am satisfied that the factual basis 
of each allegation has been established on the evidence before me. The question is therefore 
whether the conduct of Mr Keenan which I have found to have occurred constituted a valid 
reason or reasons for his dismissal.

[76] In my consideration of that question, it is necessary to deal at the outset with a 
significant submission made on behalf of Mr Keenan, namely that the conduct which occurred 
after the end of LBAJV’s Christmas function at about 10.00pm at the upstairs public bar and 
out in the street (that is, allegations 4, 6, 7 and 8 and possibly allegation 3) was outside the 

                                               
1

MM Cables (A Division of Metal Manufacturers Limited) v Zammit (unreported, AIRCFB, Ross VP, Drake 
SDP, Lawson C, 17 July 2000) Print S8106 [42]








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scope of Mr Keenan’s employment, was properly characterised as private activity, and 
therefore could not constitute a valid reason for dismissal. 

[77] In a factual sense this submission is well-founded. The time boundaries of the 
Christmas function were, in the notice to employees, identified as 6.00pm to 10.00pm. It can 
be inferred from the evidence that the physical boundary of the function was the venue 
booked for it, being the Endeavour Room. Employees were informed in advance that, in 
substance, LBAJV’s standards of conduct would apply at the function, but there was no 
suggestion of any expectation that those standards would apply to behaviour outside the 
temporal and physical boundaries of the function. The period spent by employees in the 
upstairs bar and out in the street after 10.00pm was outside of the workplace and outside of 
working time, however broadly construed the concepts may be.

[78] The circumstances in which “out of hours” misconduct may constitute a valid reason 
for dismissal was classically stated in Rose v Telstra Corporation Limited2 as follows:

“It is clear that in certain circumstances an employee's employment may be validly 
terminated because of out of hours conduct. But such circumstances are limited,:

 the conduct must be such that, viewed objectively, it is likely to cause serious 
damage to the relationship between the employer and employee; or

 the conduct damages the employer's interests; or
 the conduct is incompatible with the employee's duty as an employee.

In essence the conduct complained of must be of such gravity or importance as to 
indicate a rejection or repudiation of the employment contract by the employee.

Absent such considerations an employer has no right to control or regulate an 
employee's out of hours conduct.” 

[79] Rose involved a fight between the dismissed employee and another employee. The 
dismissed employee was on a work trip to a country town, but was off-duty at the time the 
fight occurred. There was no evidence that the reputation of the employer had been tarnished 
by what occurred. It was not accepted that the dismissed employee’s conduct, objectively 
viewed, was such as to be likely to cause serious damage to his relationship with his 
employer. The Commission held in Rose that the dismissed employee’s conduct did not fall 
within the limited circumstances in which an employee may validly be terminated because of 
conduct outside of work.

[80] LBAJV argued that the circumstances identified in Rose in which out of work conduct 
may constitute a valid reason for termination were present here because Mr Keenan’s conduct 
towards Ms O’Reilly constituted sexual harassment as defined in s.28A of the Sex 
Discrimination Act 1984 (Cth) (SD Act) for which LBAJV would be vicariously liable under 
s.106 of the SD Act. Employee conduct for which the employer could be vicariously liable, 
LBAJV submitted, was conduct which legitimately fell within the scope of employer 
supervision and could constitute a valid reason for dismissal because it had a significant 
potential to damage the employer’s interests.

                                               
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[81] It may be accepted that where an employer is vicariously liable for the conduct of an 
employee outside of working hours, that creates a sufficiently significant connection between 
the conduct and the employment such as to bring the conduct within the scope of legitimate 
employer supervision. The question here is therefore whether Mr Keenan’s conduct at the 
upstairs bar - particularly in relation to Ms O’Reilly - constituted unlawful sexual harassment 
for which LBAJV was vicariously liable. That requires an analysis of the relevant provisions 
of the SD Act.

[82] Section 28A of the SD Act provides as follows:

28A Meaning of sexual harassment 

(1) For the purposes of this Division, a person sexually harasses another person (the 
person harassed ) if: 

(a) the person makes an unwelcome sexual advance, or an unwelcome request 
for sexual favours, to the person harassed; or 

(b) engages in other unwelcome conduct of a sexual nature in relation to the 
person harassed; 

in circumstances in which a reasonable person, having regard to all the circumstances, 
would have anticipated the possibility that the person harassed would be offended, 
humiliated or intimidated. 

(1A) For the purposes of subsection (1), the circumstances to be taken into account 
include, but are not limited to, the following: 

(a) the sex, age, sexual orientation, gender identity, intersex status, marital or 
relationship status, religious belief, race, colour, or national or ethnic origin, of 
the person harassed; 

(b) the relationship between the person harassed and the person who made the 
advance or request or who engaged in the conduct; 

(c) any disability of the person harassed; 

(d) any other relevant circumstance. 

(2) In this section: 

"conduct of a sexual nature" includes making a statement of a sexual nature to a 
person, or in the presence of a person, whether the statement is made orally or in 
writing. 

[83] I consider that it is abundantly clear that Mr Keenan’s conduct in kissing Ms O’Reilly 
would fall within the s.28A definition of sexual harassment. It was “unwelcome conduct of a 
sexual nature”, the sexual element being constituted by the physical act of kissing.3 A 

                                               
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reasonable person would, having regard to the circumstances (most relevantly, that Ms 
O’Reilly did nothing whatsoever to invite Mr Keenan’s conduct) anticipate the possibility that 
Ms O’Reilly would be offended and humiliated by Mr Keenan’s conduct. Section 28A does 
not require a sexual intent on the part of the person perpetrating the harassment, making it 
unnecessary to determine what Mr Keenan’s thinking was in kissing Ms O’Reilly.4

Accordingly that element of LBAJV’s argument is established.

[84] Section 28B(2) relevantly provides that “It is unlawful for an employee to sexually 
harass a fellow employee ...”. The submission of LBAJV appeared to assume that it was 
sufficient for this provision to be applicable that Mr Keenan and Ms O’Reilly shared the same 
employer, regardless of the circumstances in which the harassment occurred. I do not consider 
this assumption to be correct. In Leslie v Graham5 the Federal Court (Branson J) considered 
whether sexual harassment which occurred in the early hours of the morning in an apartment 
that the complainant and another employee were sharing whilst attending a work-related 
conference was unlawful under s.28B(2). Her Honour said:

“[71] I therefore conclude that in the early hours of Saturday, 16 November 1996 Mr 
Lincoln Graham sexually harassed Ms Leslie within the meaning of s 28A of the Act. 
His conduct was unlawful by reason of subs 28B(2) of the Act if it constituted sexual 
harassment of one employee by a fellow employee. Although Ms Leslie and Mr 
Lincoln Graham were away from their normal workplace at the time of the Mollymook 
incident, I am nonetheless satisfied that the incident constituted the sexual harassment 
of one employee by a fellow employee. At the time of the Mollymook incident the 
relationship of Ms Leslie and Mr Lincoln Graham as fellow employees was a 
continuing relationship. They were sharing an apartment at Mollymook in the course 
of their common employment; it was the accommodation provided to them by Roger 
Graham & Associates for the purpose of their attending the Bus & Coach Association's 
Regional Conference. It could not, in my view, be suggested that their common 
employment was unrelated, or merely incidental, to the Mollymook incident (see Smith 
v The Christchurch Press Co Ltd [2000] NZCA 341; [2001] 1 NZLR 407). I conclude 
that Mr Lincoln Graham's conduct was rendered unlawful by subs 28B(2) of the Act.”

[85] Leslie v Graham, including the above passage, was referred to with approval in the 
Federal Court Full Court decision in South Pacific Resort Hotels Pty Ltd v Trainor6. It may be 
concluded from this passage that it is not sufficient for s.28B(2) to apply, where the 
harassment occurs outside of working hours and outside of the workplace, that the relevant 
persons share a common employment where this is unrelated to or merely incidental to the 
circumstances of the event. Some connection between the circumstances of the harassment 
and the employment is required. 

[86] In A v K Ltd & Z7, the view was expressed in relation to s.86(2)(a) of the Equal 
Opportunity Act 1995 (Vic), which provides that an employee must not sexually harass 
another person employed by his or her employer, that “the conduct complained of must not 
merely be between two people who happen to have a common employer but must be in the 
capacity of employee” and that “[t]he harassment must take place within the scope of the 

                                               
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common employment rather than in circumstances where common employment is a mere 
incidental factor”.8 In that case, a claim that unlawful sexual harassment occurred during an 
out-of-hours social function was struck out as misconceived on the basis that the relevant 
persons were not acting as employees at the relevant time.9 The approach taken in A v K Ltd 
& Z is arguably a narrower approach than in Leslie, but confirms that the mere fact of there 
being a common employer is not sufficient to render the relevant conduct unlawful.

[87] I will proceed on the basis of the analysis in Leslie, namely that the act of sexual 
harassment must occur in circumstances which have some connection with the common 
employment in order for the persons involved to be treated as “fellow employees” for the 
purpose of s.28B(2). I will return to this issue shortly.

[88] Section 106, which deals with vicarious liability, provides as follows: 

106 Vicarious liability etc. 

(1) Subject to subsection (2), where an employee or agent of a person does, in 
connection with the employment of the employee or with the duties of the agent as an 
agent: 

(a) an act that would, if it were done by the person, be unlawful under 
Division 1 or 2 of Part II (whether or not the act done by the employee or agent 
is unlawful under Division 1 or 2 of Part II); or 

(b) an act that is unlawful under Division 3 of Part II; 

this Act applies in relation to that person as if that person had also done the act. 

(2) Subsection (1) does not apply in relation to an act of a kind referred to in 
paragraph (1)(a) or (b) done by an employee or agent of a person if it is established 
that the person took all reasonable steps to prevent the employee or agent from doing 
acts of the kind referred to in that paragraph. 

[89] The sexual harassment provisions of the SD Act are contained in Division 3 of Part II; 
accordingly for relevant purposes vicarious liability in respect of an unlawful act of sexual 
harassment by an employee against a fellow employee will arise if it is done “in connection 
with the employment of the employee” (subject to subsection (2)). 

[90] On the basis of the above analysis, the questions of whether Mr Keenan engaged in 
unlawful sexual harassment of Ms O’Reilly and, if so, whether LBAJV was vicariously liable 
for that conduct are to be answered by reference to whether there is a connection with Mr 
Keenan’s employment.

[91] It is reasonably clear that if the criterion was whether the conduct occurred in the 
course of the employment of the employee, then it would not be satisfied here. In the context 
of an issue concerning workers’ compensation liability where the relevant test for liability was 
whether the injury occurred in the course of employment, the High Court in Comcare v 

                                               
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PVYW10 held that where an injury occurred outside of work as a result of attendance at a 
particular place or engagement in a particular activity, the injury would only be in the course 
of employment if the employee attended the place or engaged in the activity because of 
encouragement or inducement by the employer.11 There was no evidence in this case that Mr 
Keenan was induced or encouraged by LBAJV to attend the upstairs bar after the Christmas 
function had ended.

[92] However, the criterion of “in connection with the employment of the employee” is a 
different one. In South Pacific Resort Hotels Pty Ltd v Trainor12, a Federal Court Full Court 
decision, Black CJ and Tamberlin J said in relation to s.106 of the SD Act:

“[42] We would add that the expression chosen by the Parliament to impose vicarious 
liability for sexual harassment would seem, on its face, to be somewhat wider than the 
familiar expression ‘in the course of’ used with reference to employment in cases 
about vicarious liability at common law or in the distinctive context of workers 
compensation statutes. Nevertheless cases decided in these other fields can have, at 
best, only limited value in the quite different context of the SDA.”

[93] No clear test as to what is sufficient to establish the necessary connection has been 
enunciated. In South Pacific Resort Black CJ and Tamberlin J said that the expression “in 
connection with” in its context in s.106(1) was a “broad one of practical application”13 and 
that “each case is likely to turn very much on its own facts, but within a framework of 
consistent principle developed over time by the cases”.14 However it must be said that in the 
few cases decided on this issue to date, it is difficult to discern as yet any such framework of 
consistent principle. Kiefel J, who agreed with Black CJ and Tamberlin J but added some 
observations concerning s.10615, did formulate a test in the following way:

“[70] In my view no narrow approach to the operation of s 106(1) is warranted. It is 
consonant with its purpose to read the words ‘in connection with the employment of 
the employee’ as requiring that the unlawful acts in question be in some way related to 
or associated with the employment. Once this is established it is for the employer to 
show that all reasonable steps were taken to prevent the conduct occurring, if they are 
to escape liability under s 106(2). In this way the aim of the SDA, to eliminate sexual 
harassment in the workplace, might be achieved.”

[94] However her Honour went on to say: “Each case will turn on its facts and it may be 
that it is difficult to draw the line in some cases”.16

[95] The facts in South Pacific Resort were not dissimilar to those in Leslie. The sexual 
harassment occurred on two occasions at night in staff accommodation provided by the 
employer for the purpose of employment in a hotel on Norfolk Island. The staff 
accommodation was actually part of the employer’s hotel complex, so that the sexual 

                                               
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harassment occurred on the employer’s premises. The employer exercised a considerable 
degree of control over the accommodation and staff behaviour within that accommodation, 
including by way of policy requirements included in its staff handbook. In their judgment 
Black CJ and Tamberlin J said:

“[39] As in Leslie v Graham, the conduct here occurred in accommodation occupied 
(albeit in separate rooms) by the complainant and her fellow employee because of, and 
for the purposes of, their common employment. The accommodation provided for the 
weekend conference in Leslie v Graham equates with the accommodation provided for 
employees who might need it whilst working on a remote island. As in Leslie v 
Graham, it could not be said here that the common employment was unrelated or 
merely incidental to the sexual harassment of one by the other. 

[40] In the present case the connection between the employment and the acts in 
question was even closer since the prohibition on staff having visitors in the staff 
accommodation meant that, absent any special arrangements by the employer, only 
staff were permitted there. It was only by virtue of their being staff that Mr Anderson 
and Ms Trainor were in the Staffies premises where the acts of sexual harassment 
occurred.”

[96] In Kiefel J’s additional observations concerning s.106, her Honour said that it would 
“seem logical to say” that out of work conduct which could be seen to adversely affect the 
working environment would be sufficient to establish the necessary connection. However this 
statement does not appear to form part of the ratio decidendi of the Full Court’s decision. The 
facts recited in the decision do not appear to refer to any such adverse effect, actual or 
potential. It does not reflect the approach taken by the other members of the Court. The 
statement is best regarded as obiter for the purposes of s.106, although it is relevant in another 
connection to which I shall return.

[97] The connection between the events in the upstairs bar and the employment was said 
(by Mr Macourt in his evidence) to be that the employees including Mr Keenan and Ms 
O’Reilly would not have been there if it were not for the prior occurrence of LBAJV’s 
Christmas function. As a factual proposition that is undoubtedly correct. However, that 
approach involves the application of a “but for” test to establish the connection with the 
employment - that is, any event which but for the employment would not have happened is 
said to be connected to the employment. I do not consider that to be the correct approach. It 
would mean, in the context of the events of the evening of 12 December 2014, that any 
sexually harassing conduct between employees following the end of the Christmas function, 
including conduct in the upstairs bar, out on the taxi stand, at the Rocksia and on the trip 
home would be connected with the employment and would therefore be conduct for which 
LBAJV was potentially liable under s.106. That casts the net too widely over conduct 
occurring in a private social setting. In this connection I find persuasive the following analysis 
in the New Zealand Court of Appeal decision of Smith v Christchurch Press Company Ltd17

(underlining added):

“[17] It was not argued that the appellant’s conduct, if it was sufficiently related to his 
employment, did not amount to serious misconduct justifying dismissal... The 
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employment necessary to trigger the right of dismissal. As already mentioned, the 
Judge adopted the test of “but for” the employment relationship, conduct would not 
have occurred though she had qualified this by reference to “in the employment 
setting”. She used this to ascertain whether the appellant was acting “in the course of 
his employment”. Her conclusion was that the fact that the incident took place away 
from the work premises during the lunch time “does not remove the nexus between
employment and the sexual harassment”.

[18] The “but for” test is not unfamiliar, though in other fields it no longer is accepted 
as a sufficient test of causation giving rise to legal liability. It was applied in the High 
Court in a case of sexual harassment in employment under the Human Rights 
Commission Act 1977 in Ellis v Proceedings Commissioner [1997] 1 ERNZ 325, 329. 
The test was adopted in that case from earlier employment cases, though again it 
seems to have been complemented with a finding that the conduct “arose out of the 
employer – employee relationship”. Those earlier employment cases are NZ 
Labourers, etc IUOW v Fletcher Challenge Ltd (1989) 3 NZILR 129, 197 and Z v A 
[1993] 2 ERNZ 469, 483. The “but for” test for causative link in those cases appears to 
be traced back to McMahon v Post & Telegraph Department [1958] NZLR 717, 718, 
but matters have moved on somewhat since then: see Bank of New Zealand v New 
Zealand Guardian Trust Co Ltd [1999] 1 NZLR 664, 681; Price Waterhouse v Kwan 
[1999] NZCA 311; [2000] 3 NZLR 39, 46.

[19] Without more the “but for” test could not provide a test for all circumstances. As 
Mr Couch pointed out, at the extreme it could extend to all conduct, whenever 
occurring, involving persons who first met in an employment situation. Plainly that 
would permit employers to intrude too far into the private lives of employees.”

[98] Whilst the above analysis concerned whether particular conduct occurred in the course 
of employment, I consider it equally applicable to the question, in the context of ss.28B and 
106 of the SD Act, whether conduct occurred in connection with the employment. In 
particular, the underlined part of the above passage would apply with equal force so that any 
sexually harassing conduct by one person against another, where both persons have the same 
employer and first met as a result of their common employment, could be said to be in 
connection with that employment regardless of the contextual circumstances. That is an 
approach I reject. It was certainly not the approach taken in South Pacific Resort or Leslie.

[99] LBAJV pointed to the Federal Magistrates Court decision in Lee v Smith & Ors18 as 
supporting its position that sexual harassment occurring in a purely private setting could 
nonetheless be connected with employment. In that case there were a range of instances of 
sexual harassment, some of which occurred in the workplace but the most serious of which 
occurred out of work. The relevant facts were that the female applicant employee was invited 
by a fellow female employee to attend after work dinner and drinks at her home with the 
female employee’s male partner (also a fellow employee) and a second male employee. 
During the course of the evening the applicant became intoxicated and passed out. When she 
awoke, she was being raped by the second male employee. The Court held that the employer 
of the applicant and the second male employee was vicariously liable for this conduct under 
s.106 of the SD Act. The Court’s reasoning with respect to the connection with employment 
required by s.106(1) was as follows:

                                               
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“[206] In determining the issue of the application of s 106(1) of the Sex Discrimination 
Act 1984 (Cth) to the incident of rape, I am satisfied that particular regard should be 
given to the factors I have previously indicated - that the rape was the culmination of 
the earlier incidents of sexual harassment directly in the workplace. Consequently I 
accept the submissions of the Applicant’s counsel that the First Respondent’s conduct 
was an extension or continuation of his pattern of behaviour that had started and 
continued to develop in the workplace he shared with the Applicant. The nexus with 
the workplace was not broken.”

[100] It is difficult, with respect, to accept this reasoning. The fact that the perpetrator in this 
case had engaged in earlier unreported acts of sexual harassment in the workplace did not, in 
my view, create a logical connection between his employment and the criminal act of rape 
committed at private residential premises outside of working hours. The conclusion reached 
appears, in substance, to be the result of the application of the “but for” approach earlier 
discussed. I do not consider that Lee provides guidance for the correct outcome which should 
pertain in this case. In any event, the connection found to exist in Lee, namely that the 
relevant act of sexual harassment was a continuation of earlier acts of sexual harassment in 
the workplace, is not a connection which exists here. Mr Keenan has not engaged in sexual 
harassment at the workplace. Nor, as will be discussed later, did he engage in sexual 
harassment at the Christmas function. 

[101] I do not consider that conduct which occurred at the upstairs bar can be said to be in 
connection with Mr Keenan’s employment. The social interaction which occurred there was 
not in any sense organised, authorised, proposed or induced by LBAJV. Those who gathered 
there did so entirely of their own volition. It was in a public place. There was nothing in 
LBAJV’s Code of Conduct or relevant policies which suggested that they had any application 
to social activities of this nature. Mr Macourt gave evidence that he expected that LBAJV’s 
standards of behaviour would apply until all employees were safely home that night, but there 
was no evidence that any such expectation was communicated to employees or that 
employees generally had any understanding that this expectation existed. Mr Keenan’s 
conduct in the upstairs bar was merely incidental to his employment.

[102] It follows from that conclusion that Mr Keenan’s sexually harassing behaviour 
towards Ms O’Reilly was not rendered unlawful by s.28B of the SD Act, and it was not 
conduct for which LBAJV was vicariously liable. It cannot for that reason constitute a valid 
reason for dismissal, even though that conduct, as I have found, fell within the statutory 
definition of sexual harassment.19 The same conclusion applies to Mr Keenan’s conduct 
towards Ms Kearns at the taxi stand.

[103] Leaving aside the application of the SD Act, I do not consider that what occurred at 
the upstairs bar constituted conduct within the scope of Mr Keenan’s employment which 
could legitimately constitute a valid reason for dismissal in accordance with the principles 
stated in Rose v Telstra. My reasons for this conclusion are similar to those stated in respect 
of the SD Act. Because it was conduct which occurred in essentially a private social setting, 
albeit involving persons sharing a common employer who had just attended an official 
Christmas function, it was not conduct which could be regarded as indicative of a rejection or 
repudiation of Mr Keenan’s employment contract.

                                               
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[104] Private conduct by one person towards a second person with the same employer may 
damage the employer’s interests (and thus meet the Rose v Telstra criteria) if the capacity of 
the second person to perform his or her duties for the employer is affected by that conduct. An 
example of this is the Federal Court decision (Finn J) in McManus v Scott-Charlton20. That 
matter concerned the question of whether a direction to an employee to cease private sexually 
harassing behaviour towards a co-employee was lawful. The Court determined that the SD 
Act could not provide a lawful basis in respect of private sexual harassment, but went on to 
say that the direction would be lawful where “the harassment has had and continues to have 
substantial and adverse effects on workplace relations, workplace performance and/or the 
‘efficient equitable and proper conduct’... of the employer’s business because of the proximity 
of the harasser and the harassed person in the workplace”.21 In that case, the necessary 
substantial and adverse effects were identifiable in the evidence in that affected employees 
were “emotionally disturbed” by the harassers actions to the extent that they were using work 
time to discuss their concerns with other more senior employees and were paying reduced 
attention to their duties to the detriment of their work “because their concern about the 
[harasser] was playing on their minds”.

[105] McManus v Scott-Charlton did not involve a dismissal, and it may be that the 
demonstrated adverse effect on work performance would have to be of greater significance in 
order to provide a valid reason for dismissal. In any event, the evidence did not demonstrate 
actual adverse workplace effects of the type identified in McManus v Scott-Charlton in 
respect of the conduct on the part of Mr Keenan which occurred after the end of the Christmas 
function. Nor was there evidence of potential effects (noting that Mr Keenan was stood down 
with pay on 16 December 2014 and did not return to work prior to his dismissal). Ms O’Reilly 
gave evidence that initially she did not want to make a complaint about the kissing incident 
because she was concerned that it might jeopardise her relationship with the road crews, but 
that by the Monday following the Christmas function, she realised that Mr Keenan’s conduct 
would have longer term consequences because “Eventually I was going to be rotated back to 
day shift and at that point I would have been hugely uncomfortable having to see [Mr 
Keenan] again without having addressed his behaviours”. I accept her evidence in that 
respect, and I consider that it reflects an understandable and reasonable reaction to what 
occurred. That evidence does not suggest that her subsequent work performance was affected 
at any stage or would have been had Mr Keenan remained employed. Because she was 
working night shifts at that time she did not, as an OCC Controller, have any work contact 
with Mr Keenan. Her anticipation of discomfort at having to have dealings with him if she 
was rotated back to day shift was conditioned by the proposition that he may not have 
“addressed his behaviours”. Given that Mr Keenan had indicated a preparedness to apologise 
for his behaviour, and there was no evidence that he had engaged in behaviour of that type 
before when at work and unaffected by alcohol, I think it is reasonable to assume that there 
would have been no repetition of his behaviour had he not been dismissed that would have 
been such as to cause real concern on the part of Ms O’Reilly. I further note that, as at the 
time of the hearing, Ms O’Reilly had not yet been rotated back to day shift, although she had 
relieved on day shift from time to time.

[106] Ms Cosser was, as I have earlier found, distressed on the night of the Christmas 
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of any continuing effect on her at the workplace and in any case she left her employment at 
LBAJV shortly afterwards for unrelated reasons. Ms Stokes did not give any evidence to the 
effect that Mr Keenan’s behaviour towards her at the upstairs bar had any relevant workplace 
effect upon her, and in any case her work contact with Mr Keenan was extremely minimal. 
Ms Kearns’ evidence was that she was not concerned by what Mr Keenan said to her out on 
the street.

[107] LBAJV made reference to the Australian Industrial Relations Commission (AIRC) 
Full Bench majority decision in Telstra Corporation Limited v Streeter.22 That case concerned 
conduct at a hotel room which some employees had booked to stay in overnight after a 
Christmas party organised by employees themselves but partially funded by the employer.
The hotel room was paid for by the employees who booked it. Ms Streeter, who was not one 
of the employees who booked the room, engaged in “rowdy behaviour” with other employees 
during the night, well after the Christmas party had ended, including engaging in sexual 
relations with at least one other employee. This upset some of the employees who had booked 
the room and wanted to sleep. They were distressed at work the following day, and 
complaints were made to the employer. Ms Streeter ended up being dismissed.

[108] The dismissal was on two bases: that Ms Streeter’s conduct constituted sexual 
harassment for which her employer was vicariously liable under the SD Act, and that she had 
lied about her conduct (including about the sexual activity she had engaged in) when 
interviewed by her employer. In the first instance decision23, the Commission (Hamberger 
SDP) found that Ms Streeter’s conduct either did not constitute sexual harassment or, 
alternatively, was sexual harassment of the most indirect kind. As to the lying, the 
Commission found that although Ms Streeter had lied, it was lying about conduct that was “of 
an inherently personal nature” and occurred well away from the workplace in a hotel room 
booked and paid for privately, and therefore did not constitute a valid reason for dismissal. 
Ms Streeter was reinstated.

[109] This decision was overturned on appeal. However, there was no finding of error by the 
majority in respect of the sexual harassment conclusion, nor did the majority suggest that any 
of the conduct on Ms Streeter’s part itself constituted a valid reason for dismissal. The error 
was found in respect of the conclusion that Ms Streeter’s lying about what occurred in the 
course of her employer’s investigation of the incident did not constitute a valid reason for 
dismissal. The majority found that the employer was entitled to conduct its investigation and 
ask the questions it did because of the distressing effect her conduct had on other employees 
when they turned up for work the following day, which meant that the conduct had caused 
“difficulties at her work”. The lack of honesty on the part of Ms Streeter meant that her 
employer could not trust her to be honest in the future, and there was a breakdown in the 
necessary relationship of trust and confidence. In re-hearing the matter, the majority found 
that her dismissal was not unfair.

[110] I must say, with respect, that I strongly disagree with the conclusion of the majority in 
Streeter. I do not accept the validity of the proposition that an employer has a right to ask 
questions of an employee about private consensual sexual activity and to expect any answers, 
let alone truthful ones. The further proposition that a failure to answer such questions honestly 
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reason for dismissal is equally unacceptable. There is no support for either proposition in any 
of the relevant authorities. An employer does not have the legal right to intrude so far into the 
private lives of employees. 

[111] Be that as it may, Streeter provides no support for LBAJV’s case here in any event. As 
stated, there was no finding in Streeter that the conduct involved in that case (the surrounding 
circumstances of which are reasonably analogous to the facts here) was within the scope of 
the employment or could itself constitute a valid reason for dismissal. Mr Keenan was not 
dismissed for lying, and LBAJV did not run its case on the basis that any lying by him in the 
course of its investigation could constitute a valid reason for dismissal. In the course of 
closing submissions, LBAJV faintly suggested for the first time that because Mr Keenan had 
lied about the incident with Ms O’Reilly when interviewed (in that he said he kissed her on 
the cheek), that constituted a valid reason for the dismissal in line with Streeter. Flexible as 
the Commission’s procedures are, it does not permit new valid reasons for dismissal to be 
formulated in the course of closing submissions. In any event, I do not accept that this would 
constitute a valid reason for dismissal, because there was no evidence from Mr Macourt or 
any other LBAJV manager that this untruthful answer had led to a loss of trust and confidence 
in Mr Keenan.

[112] Accordingly, for the reasons stated, I conclude that none of Mr Keenan’s conduct in 
the upstairs bar or out on the street constituted a valid reason for his dismissal.

[113] That leaves for consideration Mr Keenan’s conduct at the Christmas function itself. 
Mr Keenan did not contest the proposition that what occurred at the Christmas function could 
be the subject of legitimate employer supervision by LBAJV. This implicit concession was 
properly made. The function was an official one which was organised and paid for by 
LBAJV, and, critically, LBAJV made it clear that compliance with its standards of behaviour 
was expected on the part of those who attended. Allegations 1, 2 and 5 (and possibly 3) arise 
for consideration in that context.

[114] Allegation 1 may be disposed of shortly. As earlier stated, Mr Macourt did not regard 
it as serious enough to justify dismissal. Although the evidence makes it clear that Mr Keenan 
said to Mr Boggan “Fuck off mate”, there is no evidence that Mr Boggan took offence at this 
or even remembered it. It only came to the attention of others because Mr Keenan, in his 
intoxicated state, insisted on telling other people at the function that he had said this. This was 
not a valid reason for dismissal.

[115] Allegation 2 involved the incident with Ms Kennedy. LBAJV contended in its letter of 
dismissal and its case at the determinative conference that this constituted sexual harassment. 
I do not agree that it constituted sexual harassment either under the SD Act or for the purposes 
of LBAJV’s relevant policy. Although Mr Keenan’s conduct towards Ms Kennedy was 
undoubtedly unwelcome, and it is arguable that a reasonable person might in all the 
circumstances have reasonably anticipated the possibility that Ms Kennedy would be 
offended, humiliated or intimidated, I do not consider that it had the requisite sexual nature. 
There was no express sexual advance or proposition. Nothing Mr Keenan said to Ms Kennedy 
involved the use of sexual language or sexual innuendo, and there was no express or implicit 
reference to sexual activity. There was no expression of love or physical attraction. What he 
proposed, in terms, was that they should meet together with their respective children to go 
horse riding or ice skating, and he communicated (indirectly) a desire to have her phone 
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relationship of some description - perhaps a romantic relationship - but it cannot be 
interpreted as necessarily involving a sexual element. Mr Keenan sat next to her and spoke 
closely to her face, but I consider that to be the result of the fact that because he was 
intoxicated and having to speak over the background music he was finding it difficult to make 
himself understood.

[116] Ms Kennedy’s evidence did not suggest that she discerned and was upset by any
sexual element in what Mr Keenan said to her. Her distress, as I understand her evidence, was 
caused by the fact that she perceived Mr Keenan to be behaving aggressively, felt intimidated 
by him (because of his alcohol consumption), and was upset by his persistence in asking her 
questions which intruded into her personal affairs. 

[117] It was not contended by LBAJV that Mr Keenan’s conduct constituted harassment 
(that is, non-sexual harassment) in breach of its harassment policy. That is understandable, 
since it was a necessary element of harassment as defined in that policy (earlier quoted) that 
the victim of the harassment be targeted on the basis of an attribute group. There was no 
suggestion, and no basis to suggest, that Ms Kennedy was targeted by Mr Keenan because she 
belonged to an attribute group.

[118] There was a general submission by LBAJV that Mr Keenan’s conduct “created a 
serious and imminent risk to the safety and welfare of himself and other employees in the 
workplace”. This submission was not elaborated upon, and it is unclear to me what the
posited risk was. There was no suggestion that, drunk as he was, Mr Keenan exhibited any 
actual inclination towards violence (notwithstanding a number of aggressive comments he 
made on other occasions during the course of the night). The submission is rejected.

[119] Accordingly I conclude that Mr Keenan’s conduct towards Ms Kennedy, unpleasant 
although it undoubtedly was, did not constitute a valid reason for his dismissal. What 
occurred is best characterised as a boorish attempt by a drunk to lay the foundation for a 
future relationship with a woman whom he hardly knew. Ms Kennedy, obviously not wanting 
to offend him or aggravate the unpleasantness of the situation, did not put him straight and 
answered his questions. His oafish intrusion into matters of personal sensitivity clearly caused 
her distress and effectively spoiled the night for her. But in all the circumstances it was not 
conduct of a sufficiently serious nature to constitute a valid reason for dismissal.

[120] To the extent that allegation 3 may have occurred at the Christmas function and not 
afterwards, I do not consider that it was a valid reason for dismissal. Asking Ms Cosser “why 
the fuck are you talking to Kevin?” was simply not sufficiently serious in all the 
circumstances to justify dismissal.

[121] That leaves allegation 5. Mr Keenan’s conduct towards Ms Stokes at the Christmas 
function received surprisingly little attention at the hearing, but in my view it was the most 
serious behaviour on the part of Mr Keenan at that function. To repeat, Mr Keenan said to Ms 
Stokes, in a manner that was entirely unprovoked, “What do you even do?”, and when Ms 
Stokes laughed in response, said “No seriously. Who the fuck are you? What do you even do 
here?”. I consider that to be, objectively speaking, aggressive, intimidatory and bullying 
behaviour on Mr Keenan’s part, particularly given that Mr Keenan was an intoxicated middle-
aged male and Ms Stokes was a much younger and smaller female. The behaviour was 
intentional. The robustness of Ms Stokes’ response in simply turning and walking away from 
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bullying did not give it a definition, but on any reasonable view Mr Keenan’s behaviour did 
constitute bullying (noting that we are not here concerned with the special legislative 
definition of bullying in s.789FD of the FW Act).

[122] LBAJV omitted this incident as a reason for dismissal in the termination letter not 
because it was not serious but because, as earlier stated, it was not regarded as having been 
corroborated. However, as I have earlier found, I am wholly satisfied that the incident 
occurred as described by Ms Stokes. I consider that this constituted a valid reason for the 
dismissal.

Paragraphs 387(b) and (c) 

[123] I have outlined the process that LBAJV followed in notifying Mr Keenan of the 
reasons for his dismissal and the extent of the opportunity he was given to respond to those 
reasons. In relation to allegation 5, which I have found to constitute the only valid reason for 
dismissal, I consider in accordance with my earlier finding concerning the conduct of the 
meeting on 18 December 2014 that the substance of this allegation was not communicated to 
Mr Keenan and accordingly he did not have a proper opportunity to respond.

Paragraph 387(d) 

[124] The critical meeting to discuss the dismissal was that which occurred on 18 December 
2014, at which Mr Keenan had a support person (Mr Noack). Even if the earlier meeting of 16 
December 2014 is treated, for the purpose of s.387(d), as one which related to the dismissal, it 
is not the case that Mr Keenan was actually refused the right to have a support person. He was 
simply not told that he could have one.

Paragraph 387(e) 

[125] Mr Keenan’s dismissal was on the basis of misconduct, not unsatisfactory 
performance, so the issue of prior warnings does not arise.

Paragraphs (f) and (g)

[126] LBAJV is a business of reasonable size, and has at least one dedicated human 
resources management specialist with expertise in this area. Its procedural failure to properly 
put all the allegations, including allegation 5, to Mr Keenan is therefore surprising. 

Paragraph 387(h) 

[127] There are eight additional matters which I consider relevant to whether the dismissal 
of Mr Keenan was harsh, unjust or unreasonable:

(1) the lack of any work consequences of the conduct;

(2) the prior work record of Mr Keenan;

(3) the isolated and aberrant nature of Mr Keenan’s conduct;

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(5) the service of alcohol at the Christmas function;

(6) the alternatives to dismissal available to LBAJV;

(7) the personal consequences of dismissal for Mr Keenan; and

(8) the differential treatment of Mr Denmeade.

[128] I will deal with each of these matters in turn.

[129] There was no evidence that Mr Keenan’s conduct towards Ms Stokes had any ongoing 
consequence for the workplace - in particular Ms Stokes’ capacity to perform her work. Her 
duties only involved very limited contact with Mr Keenan. Although Ms Stokes said she 
found Mr Keenan’s remarks offensive and inexplicable, she did not suggest they did or would 
have any effect on her ability to perform her duties. Dismissal was therefore not required in 
order to properly protect Ms Stokes’ position in the workforce.

[130] I have earlier set out the work record of Mr Keenan. He had a good record of 
continuous employment with the RTA, RMS and LBAJV during in excess of seven years of 
permanent employment (or over nine years of employment if the prior regular casual 
employment is included). The only blemish was the 2012 warning letter, but what he was 
actually warned about was obscure. That work record weighs in favour of a finding that Mr 
Keenan’s dismissal was harsh.

[131] There is no evidence that, when at work, Mr Keenan ever engaged in the type of 
behaviour which he engaged in at the Christmas function and afterwards which caused his 
dismissal. The conduct which I have found constituted a valid reason for his dismissal can 
fairly be characterised as isolated and aberrant in nature. That also weighs in favour of a 
finding that Mr Keenan’s dismissal was harsh.

[132] It is clear, I consider, that Mr Keenan’s conduct was the result of him becoming 
intoxicated by alcohol at the Christmas function. That is itself a mitigating factor. I do not 
mean to suggest by this that Mr Keenan can divest himself of responsibility for what occurred 
because of his state of intoxication. Mr Keenan should have exercised greater control over his 
consumption of alcohol in order to ensure that he was able to control his behaviour and 
comply with LBAJV’s policies at what was an official work function. However, it is the 
nature of alcohol that it tends to induce a loss of self-restraint and a sense of responsibility. 
The extent of this effect differs from person to person, but it obviously had a significant effect 
in Mr Keenan’s case. 

[133] An exacerbating factor in that respect was the manner in which alcohol was served at 
the function. In my view, it is contradictory and self-defeating for an employer to require 
compliance with its usual standards of behaviour at a function but at the same time to allow 
the unlimited service of free alcohol at the function. If alcohol is supplied in such a manner, it 
becomes entirely predictable that some individuals will consume an excessive amount and 
behave inappropriately. It is true that LBAJV’s contract for the hire of the Endeavour Room 
obliged the Hotel to discharge the responsible service of alcohol requirement, but there was 
no evidence to suggest that LBAJV took any step to satisfy itself as to how the Hotel would 
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served responsibly, given that from a certain point persons were able freely to help themselves 
to beer and that Mr Keenan at an early stage presented himself to a number of persons as 
intoxicated. During the Christmas function proper, Mr Keenan was never refused a drink or 
prevented from accessing alcohol, and no one suggested to him that he should stop or control 
his drinking. Indeed other employees during and after the function (including Ms O’Reilly) 
continued to supply him with alcohol notwithstanding his visible intoxication. This was 
ultimately a result of the fact that LBAJV did not place anyone with managerial authority in 
charge of the conduct of the function, but essentially let it run itself.  I consider that the role of 
alcohol at the function weighs, at least in a limited way, in favour of a conclusion that the 
dismissal was harsh.

[134] The evidence discloses that there were substantial disciplinary alternatives available to 
LBAJV short of dismissal. They included those proposed by the AWU, namely removal from 
the position of Team Leader (which would have minimised his contact with the office staff), a 
written apology to the staff members concerned, a ban from future Christmas functions, a 
warning and monitoring of future behaviour. The AWU’s proposal did not include a reduction 
in pay upon removal from the position of Team Leader, but that did not mean that LBAJV 
could not have taken that course. Likewise the AWU did not propose that the warning be a 
final one, but notwithstanding that LBAJV could have issued a final warning. Taken together, 
those steps would have constituted a proportionate response to Mr Keenan’s conduct and 
would have prevented any real possibility of any repetition. That weights in favour of a 
conclusion that the dismissal was harsh.

[135] Mr Keenan has not been able to find alternative employment since his dismissal, 
meaning that the financial and personal consequences of the dismissal have been significant. 
However, as earlier stated, he has only sought casual rather than permanent work. The weight 
that can therefore be placed on this matter is very limited.

[136] Finally, there is I consider a significant disparity between the response to Mr Keenan’s 
conduct and that of Mr Denmeade. As I have earlier found, Mr Denmeade, a supervisor, said 
to a far less senior female employee at a meeting of employees during working hours: “Do 
you want us to get our cocks out and measure them too?”. Regardless of the context, that was 
a completely inappropriate thing for a supervisor to say. I regard it as objectively at least as 
serious, if not more serious, than the conduct of Mr Keenan which I have found to have 
constituted a valid reason for his dismissal. Unlike Mr Keenan’s conduct, it was not mitigated 
by the circumstance of occurring at a function at which alcohol was served. Mr Denmeade’s 
remark was demeaning, humiliating and of a bullying nature. It is of course to his credit that 
he quickly realised that what he said was inappropriate, and self-reported the incident to Mr 
Macourt. However, that does not justify the disparity between the fact that he was merely 
counselled and Mr Keenan was dismissed. It is well established that differential disciplinary 
treatment of similar misconduct by an employer may be a legitimate basis upon which to find 
that a dismissal is unfair.24 I consider that the conduct of Mr Keenan and Mr Denmeade is 
sufficiently comparable that the disparity in the treatment of them is a relevant matter 
weighing in favour of the conclusion that Mr Keenan’s dismissal was harsh and unjust.

Conclusion 

                                               
24 Darvell v Australian Postal Corporation [2010] FWAFB 4082 at [21]-[24]; Linfox Australia Pty Ltd v Stutsel [2012] 
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[137] Having regard to all of the matters discussed above, I consider that Mr Keenan’s 
dismissal was harsh and unjust notwithstanding that there was a valid reason for his dismissal, 
namely that he addressed remarks to Ms Stokes at the Christmas function that were of an 
aggressive, intimidatory and bullying nature. His dismissal was harsh in the sense that it was 
disproportionate to the gravity of that conduct, having regard to:

 the lack of any significant ongoing workplace consequence of his behaviour;

 his good employment record;

 the isolated and aberrant nature of the conduct;

 the fact that Mr Keenan was intoxicated as a result of alcohol consumption at a 
Christmas function when he engaged in the relevant behaviour;

 the manner of the service of alcohol at the Christmas function, including 
LBAJV’s failure to exercise any real control over this;

 the availability of alternatives to dismissal which were proportionate to the 
conduct involved; and

 the severity of the penalty compared to LBAJV’s response to Mr Denmeade’s 
conduct.

[138] I also consider that the dismissal was unjust because Mr Keenan was not accorded 
procedural fairness in respect of the relevant allegation concerning his conduct towards Ms 
Stokes prior to his dismissal (when he may have been in a better position than at the 
determinative conference to recall what occurred and advance some explanation for his 
conduct), and because of the differential treatment afforded to Mr Denmeade as compared to 
Mr Keenan.

Remedy 

[139] Reinstatement is the primary remedy provided for in respect of unfair dismissals under 
the FW Act, in the sense that there must under s.390(3)(a) be a finding that reinstatement is 
inappropriate before any power exists to make an order for compensation.25 Accordingly, in 
respect of remedy, the primary issue which must be considered is whether it would be 
appropriate to make an order for Mr Keenan’s reinstatement.

[140] I have earlier indicated that a proportionate response to Mr Keenan’s misconduct 
would have been to demote him from the position of Team Leader (with a commensurate 
reduction in pay), issue him with a warning (perhaps a final warning), require him to make a 
written apology for his conduct, and ban him from attendance at any future Christmas 
functions or other functions where alcohol is served. However that is not an outcome which 
can be produced by way of a reinstatement order under s.391, for two reasons. The first is 
that, under s.391(1), a reinstatement order must require appointment to the position in which 
the person was employed immediately prior to the dismissal (that is, in Mr Keenan’s case, the 
position of Team Leader), or another position on terms and conditions no less favourable than 

                                               
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those on which the person was employed immediately before the dismissal. Mr Keenan 
cannot therefore be reinstated to a lower paying position. Because the evidence was that there 
was no available alternative position on the same pay and conditions as that of Team Leader, 
then in practical terms any reinstatement order has to be to the position of Team Leader. The 
second reason is that s.391 does not authorise the making of a reinstatement order that is 
subject to conditions.26

[141] Accordingly it is necessary for me to approach the issue of reinstatement on the basis 
that if a reinstatement order is made, it will have to require Mr Keenan to be reinstated to his 
position as Team Leader.

[142] In the event that a finding was made that Mr Keenan’s dismissal was unfair, LBAJV 
opposed the making of a reinstatement order of this nature. Mr Macourt’s statement of 
evidence disclosed three bases for this. He said that he was concerned that reinstatement 
would send the wrong message regarding acceptable workplace behaviour to the LBAJV 
workforce, particularly in circumstances where there was already a very low degree of gender 
diversity. That type of concern is often expressed in cases such as this. The answer to it is that 
there is nothing in this decision which suggests that Mr Keenan’s conduct is acceptable 
workplace behaviour, and indeed his behaviour has been heavily criticised by me. If a 
reinstatement order is made, LBAJV would be fully entitled to explain this to its workforce in 
an appropriate fashion.

[143] Mr Macourt also said that he was concerned about the implications of Mr Keenan’s 
reinstatement on its reputation with its client RMS. He said that reinstatement “could cause 
significant detriment to our relationship with our client, which has the potential to impact on 
LBAJV’s profitability under the existing contract and any future opportunities” and “would 
also serve to seriously undermine LBAJV’s diligence around performance management”. The 
reason for this concern is obscure. It is not clear to me whether RMS even knows about Mr 
Keenan’s dismissal or these proceedings. RMS is a large and sophisticated government 
organisation which would have a proper understanding of unfair dismissal processes under the 
FW Act, and would be fully aware that employers have to deal with proceedings such as these 
from time to time. Mr Macourt said that LBAJV had been “entrusted with the staff of the
previous public sector organisation and we have worked hard to ensure a fair and high 
performance culture more akin to a private sector organisation”. That may be accepted to be 
the case, but where a dismissal has been found to be unfair, that could not constitute a valid 
reason as to why reinstatement would not be appropriate.

[144] Finally, Mr Macourt was concerned about the effect of reinstatement on Ms Kennedy 
and Ms O’Reilly. He described Ms Kennedy as having been assigned to another role in 
another Leightons company, but said that “this is only a short term role”. That is not 
consistent with Ms Kennedy’s evidence, which made it clear that she would not be returning 
to LBAJV in the foreseeable future. I do not think therefore that Ms Kennedy’s position is 
relevant to the issue of reinstatement.

[145] In relation to Ms O’Reilly, Mr Macourt said that he was concerned about her “on-
going health and wellbeing” if Mr Keenan was reinstated. He said that Ms O’Reilly’s 
underlying concerns regarding Mr Keenan’s conduct had not been addressed and that it was 
“not appropriate to expect Ms O’Reilly to work permanent night shifts when we have the 

                                               
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opportunity to rotate our staff across the day and night shifts”. Ms O’Reilly said herself that 
the prospect of reinstatement was “seriously upsetting” to her, that she would be “incredibly 
intimidated” at the prospect of having to face him again at work, and that she was concerned 
about the prospect that Mr Keenan “may seek retribution against me because of my 
complaints and everything that has happened since”.

[146] I dismiss at the outset as lacking any objective support the proposition that Mr Keenan 
would seek retribution against Ms O’Reilly if reinstated. However, I otherwise accept that Ms 
O’Reilly’s concern about dealing with Mr Keenan in the future is a relevant matter in 
considering the appropriateness of reinstatement. Although I have found that Mr Keenan’s 
conduct towards Ms O’Reilly did not constitute a valid reason for his dismissal because it 
lacked the relevant connection with his employment, and the evidence does not establish that 
his behaviour would prevent her from performing her duties, nonetheless any personal 
workplace distress which might be caused to her by a reinstatement order is, I consider, a 
matter I should take into account in considering whether I should make such an order. 

[147] If I could order Mr Keenan to be reinstated to a position other than Team Leader (that 
is, on the basis that he was demoted), then that would resolve the problem, since his dealings 
with Ms O’Reilly in that case would be minimal. However, for the reasons earlier explained, 
that is not an order which can be made under s.391.

[148] It is not clear to me whether, if Mr Keenan is reinstated, it would be practicable for 
him to be rostered to work on different shifts than those of Ms O’Reilly so that contact 
between them is minimised. I raised this issue with the solicitor for LBAJV in closing 
submissions, who gave the proper response that the evidence did not demonstrate that it could 
not be done. Nonetheless I would like to have a more definitive answer to this question before 
I finally determine whether to issue a reinstatement order. 

[149] Accordingly I propose to give the parties a short opportunity to be heard further on 
this issue before I proceed further. That may include adducing evidence that is relevant to this 
issue. I wish to make it clear that I am not otherwise proposing to re-open the whole issue of 
the appropriateness of reinstatement. Nor am I suggesting that an outcome which requires Ms 
O’Reilly to remain permanently on night shift against her wishes should Mr Keenan be 
reinstated is one which I would favour.

[150] In the event that I decide to order the reinstatement of Mr Keenan, I do not intend to 
make any order for payment of lost remuneration under s.391(4). Should it be necessary I will 
give my reasons for this in any further decision concerning remedy.

[151] The parties will shortly receive a listing for the further short hearing. In the interim, 
the parties may wish to consider whether they should confer in an attempt to reach an 
agreement about an appropriate outcome in the light of this decision. An agreed outcome 
would not be confined by the impediments upon remedy imposed on the Commission by the 
FW Act, and would allow consideration to be given to the outcome identified in paragraph 
[139] above or any other appropriate outcome which the parties may identify. If any 
assistance can be provided by the Commission in this respect, it will be provided on request. 
Whether the parties choose to engage in such a process is a matter entirely for them, and any 
choice they may make in this respect will of course be without prejudice to the final 
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VICE PRESIDENT

Appearances:

V. Falconer with P. Noack for the Australian Workers’ Union on behalf of Stephen Keenan.
B. Gee with M. Bowe solicitors for Leighton Boral Amey NSW Pty Ltd.

Hearing details:

2015.
Sydney: 
May 5 & 6. 

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